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| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 01 Nov 2008 05:08 AM CDT Keep it simple for the song. The more voices added and it just becomes a 'we are the world' deal. Besides, there will be plenty of vocals for Bruce on the new album next year. Hey, the crystal ball worked for Surfergirl7.  |
| The Wombats [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 01 Nov 2008 03:26 AM CDT Anyone heard Girls, Boys and Marsupials? Little Miss Pipedream seems like a take on late 60s Beach Boys... actually there are quite a few hints through the album in different ways - not in the general sound, but maybe the vibes. |
| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 01 Nov 2008 03:25 AM CDT Really looking forward to Don't Fight The Sea. I can tell you that it isnt a bad song. I heard a new snipped of the song from a fellow fan. It starts with the sounds of whales. The vocals are so nice.  Of course i respect youre opinion that you dont like it. We all have different taste. Just wait for the finised version and than lets talk about it.  |
| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 01 Nov 2008 02:40 AM CDT I say that Bruce should add his vocals. Then get Dave for a guitar solo, book David Letterman and Jay Leno appearances, and give The Beach Boys the "proper" ending they deserve. Ok, so I'm probably a hopeless romantic.  But when Carl died, The Beach Boys as a functioning unit died with him. And let's not start up the Mike/Bruce "Beach Boys" debate. I can see that argument coming.  |
| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 01 Nov 2008 02:01 AM CDT Ah, Bruce. Thanks for trying to keep up with Brian and Al in the Loopy Quote Game. So Bruce thinks Al is trying to "recreate some of the early vocal magic" Sure, with Brian sounding so much like 1963-64, Mike at age 67, and Dennis deceased. And, if Bruce is so happy that Al is going for this sound, why the "quick history" lesson about when he was brought in for "California Girls"; we all know about that Bruce. And, finally, according to Bruce, Al "went for it one last time". One last time? You're classic, Bruce.... Again, the overwhelming news here should be that Mike and Al worked together again, even if it was only on a single track. Regardless of what Bruce says, I think it's a start (not one last time) of some more good things. I think it's ok for Bruce to talk about re-creating the classic Beach Boys blend. Maybe he doesn't want to muse on how age has ravaged his colleagues' voices. What aged rock star ever analyses the deterioration of their vocals?! And anyway, I haven't listened to recent Mike vocals but I'd imagine he still sounds like Mike Love, ditto Al. Brian's voice, granted, is significantly different. I'm sure there will still be an echo of the BB blend in this new recording. |
| BRIAN WILSON VAN DYKE PARK Words + Music U.S. promo CD ["brian wilson"] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 10:33 PM CDT |
| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 10:20 PM CDT Of course, this is very exciting news, but Sheriff you make a good point. Getting the remaining Beach Boys all on the same track is indeed monumental, but its a bit much to talk about "recreating" the pre-'65 sound. First off, 2 of the people who contributed significantly to that sound are gone. And even if Carl and Dennis were still here, there's no way around the fact that guys in their 60's can't replicate the sweet sound of great singers in their early 20's. Time is extremely cruel to the singing voice (as are drugs, in Brian's case). Even so, I still look forward to hearing the results. By the way, nice going Katie! |
| Posted: 31 Oct 2008 10:18 PM CDT  Charles LePage posted a link  "In the aftermath of Hurricane Ike, Galveston Island is in need of some relief – both in the way of donations and in relaxation. And on November 1, The Beach Boys are just the band to help do it. "The local residents really need a release. After spending a month of working full time and then going home to clean up storm debris around their homes, they deserve to have a little fun," said Gavin O'Neil, Moody Garden's Hotel General Manager." - Charles LePage |
| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 10:17 PM CDT I can tell you that a month or more ago, she said Mike Love was recording with Al Jardine, and that was delaying the Jardine album. Clear as that: Love is working with Jardine. She was not widely believed, to say the least. |
| Charles LePage: Beach Boy’s benefit concert set for Saturday (via FriendFeed) [Smiley Smile Dot Net] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 10:16 PM CDT Charles LePage posted a link "Bring food donations and your best beach vibes Saturday night to the Beach Boys Ike Benefit Concert at Moody Gardens. The outdoor concert features the Intercoastal Pirates, the Coastliners and the legendary Beach Boys with a portion of ticket proceeds to be donated to the United Way of Galveston benefiting the Galveston Chapter of the American Red Cross and Gleanings from the Harvest Galveston Food Bank." - Charles LePage |
| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 10:10 PM CDT SurferGirl7, I'm not being sarcastic (really!), but could you tell me what you were "right about". I didn't think there were many who were optimistic about the Beach Boys working together again. |
| Charles LePage: Mike Love To Sing On Al Jardine Album (via FriendFeed) [Smiley Smile Dot Net] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 10:06 PM CDT Charles LePage posted a link "Mike recently put his vocals on "Don't Fight The Sea" with Scott Totten engineering. Now you have Al, Brian, Mike & Carl singing all 'together' again on something kinda 'fresh' most likely sounding very pre-1965 classic BB vocal blendish........I think it's a cool move and I can't wait to hear it." - Charles LePage |
| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 09:40 PM CDT Don't ever doubt me again kids. I have my "sources"  |
| Re: What happened to the site? 2 megabytes to flip a page [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 09:20 PM CDT I changed it from a flash widget to a javascript widget. I'm happy to hear it works better for you. |
| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 09:13 PM CDT I was right about this |
| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 09:10 PM CDT I was right about this |
| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 08:41 PM CDT Really looking forward to Don't Fight The Sea. From the snippet I heard on Al's website, I think it's a good song. Ah, Bruce. Thanks for trying to keep up with Brian and Al in the Loopy Quote Game. So Bruce thinks Al is trying to "recreate some of the early vocal magic" Sure, with Brian sounding so much like 1963-64, Mike at age 67, and Dennis deceased. And, if Bruce is so happy that Al is going for this sound, why the "quick history" lesson about when he was brought in for "California Girls"; we all know about that Bruce. And, finally, according to Bruce, Al "went for it one last time". One last time? You're classic, Bruce.... Again, the overwhelming news here should be that Mike and Al worked together again, even if it was only on a single track. Regardless of what Bruce says, I think it's a start (not one last time) of some more good things. |
| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 08:13 PM CDT Really looking forward to Don't Fight The Sea. |
| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 08:06 PM CDT When it comes to him being part of the Beach Boys, Bruce comes across as such a humble guy, it's kind of amazing. Like he wasn't responsible for Keepin' The Summer Alive and all. Joking aside, I think that's quite a likeable trait.Really looking forward to Don't Fight The Sea. |
| Re: Steve Hoffman to remaster \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 07:29 PM CDT Are you using the exact same cartridge in both turntables? In my experience, the cartridge used can make a very significantly larger difference in playback sound than the turntable. No. The cartridge in the VPI would be wasted on the Technics. Lousy direct drive table, lousy arm, etc. The different parts of a system have to be compatible and have to have synergy. It all makes a difference, as does your preamp, amp, interconnects and even the size of the room. |
| Not to be outdone by matt-zeus, a Halloween song! [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 07:07 PM CDT I mean, really, matt-zeus? PHOOEY! A rush of inspiration--not to mention hours and hours slaving away over instruments, parts, lyrics, every turn of phrase and every breathe--forced this Beatles/Beach Boys style competition. I give you "Halloween with the Beau Mondes." Truly, a masterpiece. www.myspace.com/thebeaumondes |
| Re: Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 06:53 PM CDT More posts about the subject from Bruce and Aegir: "Re(3): Dont fight the sea Posted on October 31, 2008 at 02:51:31 AM by Aegir Bruce, why aren't you singing on it? Re(4): Dont fight the sea Posted on October 31, 2008 at 05:58:58 AM by Bruce Johnston Aegir: Well, I guess Alan must have been thinking about the early BB vocal blend that created the signature sound that made us all become Beach Boys fans and I suppose he kind of vocally went for it one final time on "Don't Fight The Sea"....... Some quick history: Soon after I joined the band in 1965, Brian graciously invited me to vocally record with everyone on the Summer Days & Summer Nights album (including "California Girls") even though Brian, Mike, Carl, Dennis & Alan already had a ton of great success with albums and singles so why would you even need a new voice? Lucky me! If I were Alan at this 2008 musical point in my life, I'd try to recreate some of the early vocal magic (pre-Bruce) with original BB members. After all, it's those great voices that put it all on the worldwide pop music map! Bruce Johnston Montecito October 31, 2008 Re(1): Ok Bruce but... Posted on October 31, 2008 at 08:55:23 PM by Bruce Johnston Henrik & Robert: The recorded BB vocal blend before me was amazing and though I appreciate your comments about my vocal blend, I'm more of a fan of how it sounded prior to me recording with the band. Bruce Johnston Montecito October 31. 2008 |
| Big News - Mike Love records with Al Jardine [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 06:49 PM CDT According to Bruce, Mike added his vocals to "Don't Fight The Sea". Quote Aegir: Mike recently put his vocals on "Don't Fight The Sea" with Scott Totten engineering. Now you have Al, Brian, Mike & Carl singing all 'together' again on something kinda 'fresh' most likely sounding very pre-1965 classic BB vocal blendish........I think it's a cool move and I can't wait to hear it. Bruce Johnston Montecito October 30, 2008 I feel proud for having given him impetus to give an official word on that. I thought this is big enough news to have its own thread |
| Re: Steve Hoffman to remaster \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 06:36 PM CDT I'm confused with the logic here! As far as I am concerned, the original Capitol vinyl release is how Pet Sounds was meant to be heard. Period. Any difference in mastering or changing of the format is messing with history. So if you're gonna do that, then you might as well go full bore and have it in stereo. I have no problem with keeping with the times. |
| Re: Steve Hoffman to remaster \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 06:26 PM CDT And the master tape is now gone, so there won't be another mastering of the tape. What happened to the Pet Sounds master tape? No one knows. Here's a brief history of the Pet Sounds master tape: Brian and Chuck assemble the master tape April 1966. Brian sends the master to Capitol's LA office. There a copy is made and sent to New York for use in East Coast vinyl pressings. The Brian LA master is used for West Coast vinyl pressings. When the rights to Pet Sounds and the post PS albums goes to Reprise, the LA master goes to Reprise where it is used for the So Tough/Pet Sounds 2fer (Mark Linett believes a copy was sent to Reprise, but Steve Hoffman has said the original master was at Reprise). According to Steve, at Reprise Wouldn't It Be Nice suffers tape damage making it unusable - WIBN on the Reprise albums may be from the LA tape, and the damage occurred subsequent or concurrent with mastering the LP, or it's possible that Reprise damaged it before it could transfer the track and they had to use the NY tape as a source. When rights revert back to Capitol, the tape returns to Capitol, and WIBN is replaced by a copy of the New York tape WIBN (an aside – perhaps this WIBN IS the New York tape version, and a copy was substituted into the NY tape master?) The LA master is used when Mark Linett makes the digital master in 1987 for the first Capitol CD release, except for WIBN. The 1990 release (as usual in Beach Boys world, a long delay) used No Noise heavily, re-EQ'd the master and in order to keep hiss down spliced in many of the intros from new mono mix downs of the multitracks. The DCC release of PS used the same LA master in 1991 ("they lent it to us for about two hours, we made one digital and one analogue transfer and the tape was messenger-ed back to Capitol"), but used no noise reduction, and according to Steve Hoffman was a "flat" transfer with heavy bass intact. Steve: "I decided to do a flat transfer of Pet Sounds; disconnecting all of the mastering equipment, including the console. It would be the only flat mastering of the mono mix in recorded history. (Every other version of that darn album be it LP, domestic and foreign, 45, Juke Box, EP, Cassette, 8-Track, Open Reel, Compact Disc, Hi-Rez, stereo remix, mono remaster, WHATEVER, has been tweaked in some way or another). Really, on a great system, the original "fairy dust" mono mix doesn't need tweaking at all. It needs leaving alone. It is a little bass heavy, but so be it." Steve used "an ATR-100 electronic assembly modified with one Telefunken 12AX7 with a Studer A-80 transport." For the DCC the NY tape was used for WIBN (a new transfer) and the train & dogs bit. Apparently the train and dogs ending was damaged or in some other way not as suitable as the NY tape version. No splicing in from the multitracks. At the time a 30 ips flat transfer analogue copy of the reels was made and that was used to cut the DCC LP that came out a few years later. The DCC CD was released in 1993. The master tape goes missing from the Capitol vault around 1992. The 1993 Good Vibrations box set used the NY tape, without any noise reduction according to Mark Linett, in a 20 bit transfer. Some intros mixed from the multitracks are spliced in. Cut to the remaster for the Pet Sounds Sessions box set in Nov 1997 (done in Jan-Feb 1996 but release delayed by Mr. Love). Again, the NY tape, and possibly with some intros still spliced in although more hiss is evident on several of the intros (a good thing). No noise reduction per Mark. An ATR-100 was used and tube electronics. This was a 24 bit HDCD master. This was the master used for the subsequent stereo/mono combined releases. The first mono/stereo version used the same 24 bit HDCD master but according to Mark it was re-equalised (by Andrew Sandoval), thereby ruining the HDCD encoding, even though the disc would still trigger HDCD players. This version was pulled at the request of Mark Linett and Brian & Melinda, and the 2001 version, with proper HDCD encoding was issued. This version replaced Brian on the bridge of the stereo WIBN with a flown in mock stereo version of the mono Mike Love sung bridge, done largely (according to Mark) because radio stations had been using the stereo version from the boxset with Brian in the bridge (I can only imagine how Mike Love reacted to that!). For the DVD Pet Sounds, Mark went back to the mono NY tape and remastered it in 96K/24 bit. For the 40th anniversary release, Mark used a 16 bit digital copy of the master tape made in 1987 in preparation for the first Pet Sounds CD. I think this may be the worst sounding version of the mono Pet Sounds, whether it be the 1987 digital technology, the state of the digital tape, or the mastering of this version. I much prefer the P S box set NY tape version, and, of course, the DCC. Most audiophiles believe that the Carl and the Passions/Pet Sounds 2fer is the best sounding mono vinyl representation of the album - the original Capitol pressings were noisy and poorly EQ'd. And the DCC vinyl, which I haven't heard. |
| A TRIBUTE TO BRIAN WILSON SEALED CD ["brian wilson"] Posted: 31 Oct 2008 03:38 PM CDT |
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