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Re: Big Bag of Vegetables 9-disk set??? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 31 May 2008 03:44 AM CDT

Quote from: Chris Moise on Today at 12:19:35 AM

We know that during that span BW had to have done tons of rough mixes and test edits. Where is all that stuff?

Perhaps these are the tapes that have indeed been scrapped by Brian. Or maybe he just played frisbee with these acetates. Cheesy

Re: NEW TIMES MUSIC AWARDS SHOWCASE-NOV 17TH-BRIAN WILSON [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 31 May 2008 03:40 AM CDT

Quote from: greener on May 30, 2008, 11:45:25 PM

DOES ANYONE KNOW A FAN WHO HAS A COPY OF THE DENNIS WILSON & RUMBO FRENCH ISSUE 45 SINGLE WITH THE PICTURE SLEEVE? APART FROM MR H? IN FRANCE?

I know someone who has one Roll Eyes

and he's not about to sell it, even for a million dollars. Tongue

Re: Here Comes The Night 1967 Organ? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 31 May 2008 02:28 AM CDT

A puzzle is something that can be solved. This can't because of the 7 or so people that would know for sure, three are gone and four wouldn't remember.

Re: CHRIS FARMER'S CD IS NOW IN STOCK! [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 31 May 2008 01:58 AM CDT

I shoulda known, oh well haha

Sure, no problem. Here's a clip of him w/Mike & Bruce playing & singing lead on "Youre So Good To Me" if youre interested http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o04ouuEpX5U

I think Randall Kirsch (spelling?) is now playing bass instead of Chris (who isnt in the band anymore from what I heard, could be wrong). Randall does a pretty good falsetto when I saw them a couple times.

Re: Is Dick Rising a real person? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 31 May 2008 12:42 AM CDT

Can I change my user name to Anita Mann?

Re: Is Dick Rising a real person? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 31 May 2008 12:36 AM CDT

Oh dear, this thread has me in stitches. The only contribution I can make is that a friend told me he went to college with a girl called Crimson Boner!

Re: Here Comes The Night 1967 Organ? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 31 May 2008 12:28 AM CDT

It just seems to say Hammond to me, but I know Brian liked rocking out on the Baldwin. A puzzle?

Re: The Official BB You Tube Thread [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 31 May 2008 12:27 AM CDT

That was a funny video. I love seeing people get uptight.

Re: Big Bag of Vegetables 9-disk set??? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 31 May 2008 12:19 AM CDT

Quote from: PhilCohen on May 24, 2008, 07:15:07 PM

I guess that the bottom of the barrel has been scraped. Mike Love once explained the lack of an official Beach Boys "Smile" compilation by saying "You've got it all already". Perhaps we do. There's still the hope that Capitol or Brother may uncover some previously unheard material from tapes that were misplaced,misfiled,stolen or weren't retrieved from studios or labels or individuals who owned those studios.

While there likely isn't much Smile stuff in the Brother vaults that hasn't been booted (save for Jazz, more Great Shape instro takes, etc) much of what we know exists will present substantial sonic upgrades over what circulates. Some of the stuff we have sounds awful (CITFORM for instance). The stuff we do have from acetate sounds really poor. I'm sure the extant acetates or best tape copies of the acetates will sound better than. let's say, the version of Old Master Painter with vocals that circulates.

It is almost certain that there are acetates in existence that contain material that has not been booted. Alan Boyd has said that here. What is interesting is that with all of the Smile stuff that has been booted we only have a handful of vintage BW mixes. The Smile sessions lasted 8-9 months. We know that during that span BW had to have done tons of rough mixes and test edits. Where is all that stuff?

Re: Big Bag of Vegetables 9-disk set??? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 31 May 2008 12:12 AM CDT

Quote from: brianc on May 29, 2008, 04:59:27 PM

Alas, "Part 2" remains unfound. I think Alan Boyd reported a few years back that there was a tape box for that session, but it was empty. I don't want to get all mysterious sounding here. I tend to speak in grail connotations and really shouldn't. For all we know, the tape was damaged, misplaced or just never turned out. After all, Carl Wilson, Jack Rieley and Stephen Desper never came across that section back in 1971. Not sure if anyone has anything further or not.

Alan has said here that there are several empty Smile era tape boxes but I'm almost positive he didn't specifically mention Surf's Up 'part 2'.

Others can provide more details but some of the experts are of the opinon that 'part 2' may have not been recorded.

Does anyone know if group vocals were ever added to part 1 in '66/'67?

Re: The Official BB You Tube Thread [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 31 May 2008 12:09 AM CDT

Quote from: carl r on April 18, 2008, 04:48:52 AM

Not genius as such but I think Dennis would approve of the spirit.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YnKTwtmb16o

Pure genius!!!!!

NEW TIMES MUSIC AWARDS SHOWCASE-NOV 17TH-BRIAN WILSON [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 11:45 PM CDT

WHILE I REALLY SHOULD KNOW THIS BUT?
CAN ANYONE ADD ANY INFO RE THIS SHOW FROM NOVEMBER 17TH IN LA IE NEW TIMES MUSIC AWARDS-BRIAN WILSON WONDERMINTS-NEGRO PROBLEM ETC-IT TOOK PLACE AT THE EL REY THEATRE AT 5515 WILSHIRE-HOSTED BY CHRIS CARTER AND WAS FREE ADMISSION?
ANYONE KNOW WHAT YEAR IT WAS AND ANY INTERESTING TRIVIA OR RELEVENT STUFF ETC?
YEARS AGO A VERY GOOD FRIEND OF MINE FROM LA TALKED ME INTO A TRADE IE I GOT A COUPLE OF CARD POSTERS FOR THIS GIG WHICH HE HAD RIPPED DOWN FROM VARIOUS BILLBOARD POLES AROUND LA ETC
GREAT USLESS PIECE OF HISTORY!!IE I JUST CAME ACROSS ONE BOARD-I DOUBT WETHER MANY EXIST THESE DAYS AND WHY WOULD THEY?PERHAPS A FEW STILL EXIST IN LA?
THE BOARD IS BRIGHT YELLOW WITH THE TEXT IN BLACK ETC-NO PICS AND HAS A FEW VINTAGE STAPLE HOLES ON IT!!
LOOKS GREAT AND A CLASSIC BIT OF HISTORY?
I HAVNT AS YET ASKED FRIENDS THAT WOULD KNOW BUT CAN OF COURSE BUT WANTED TO TEST THIS BOARD OUT AND SEE WETHER THERE ARE ANY SIMILAR TRIVIA TRAINSPOTTERS OUT THERE ?AND OF COURSE ENJOY TRIVIA ETC AS I DO?
PS FEEL FREE TO OFFER ME $$$$$$$$$ FOR IT? OK THEN ILL JUST KEEP IT ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE?
WOULD WELCOME ANY COMMENTS AND ALSO ANY 'COMMENTS RE I HAVE THIS AS WELL ETC'
SO MANY ITEMS GET LOST IN THE MIST OF TIME AND ARE FORGOTTEN ABOUT-NOT MANY PEOPLE REALLY CARE?
APART FROM THE FEW
BUT SOMETIMES AND I SPEAK FOR MYSELF HERE?AS I LOVE HEARING WHAT OTHER COLLECTORS HAVE AS OFTEN THEY HAVE SOMETHING NOBODY ELSE HAS OR INDEED KNOWS ABOUT AND EVEN BETTER? SPARE COPIES!!!

PERHAPS TO SHOW YOU ALL AN EXAMPLE?
DOES ANYONE KNOW A FAN WHO HAS A COPY OF THE DENNIS WILSON & RUMBO FRENCH ISSUE 45 SINGLE WITH THE PICTURE SLEEVE? APART FROM MR H? IN FRANCE?
SOMEWHERE THERE HAS TO BE A BOX OF THEM JUST SITTING IN AN ATTIC OR BARN OR UNDER A TABLE TO STOP IT FROM WOBBLING?

JOHN P

Re: Jerry Cole has passed away [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 10:49 PM CDT

I was just reading Jerry Cole's MySpace and came across the following:

"In what may be a truly fitting final tribute, Jerry and some of the original Wrecking Crew have been recording with Brian Wilson, for the first time since Pet Sounds".

Re: Jerry Cole has passed away [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 10:38 PM CDT

Oh man. Thanks, Adam. This is a sad day. As if the intro to Wouldn't it be Nice didn't make me weep enough already.

Re: Jerry Cole has passed away [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 10:25 PM CDT

Wow, very sad to hear, but thanks for letting us know Adam. First Larry Levine, and now Jerry Cole.
It'll add a certain sad poignancy to alot of Beach Boys records now, knowing that Jerry has passed on.

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Lucky Old Diablo [Smiley Smile Dot Net]

Posted: 30 May 2008 09:31 PM CDT

Brook Busey (Hunt) meets Brian Wilson.

So anyway, this week I somehow got invited to an private, in-studio performance of "That Lucky Old Sun," Brian's upcoming album. The event was at Capitol Records, a building shaped like a stack of '45s where the Beach Boys recorded some of their greatest tracks. I had known the show would be intimate, but nothing could have prepared me for being seated on a stool maybe six feet from Brian. (I was starstruck by the band as well; I'm such a nerd that I know all of their names.)

So they played the show, it was... amazing, and it was all around me. Darian Sahanaja came over in between sets to chat. I started babbling about how they recycled part of an unfinished song from 1967 that I love. Then Darian asked me if I've ever met Brian. I hadn't. And then I did.

I've often wondered what I would say to him. I wound up shaking his hand, telling him that the new material was "stunning," and thanking him. Based on the handful of words I managed to utter, he probably assumed I was a casual fan at best. Fine by me. There's no way I could have said everything in those few allotted moments.

To be honest, I've been a little down on Hollywood lately. But nobody knows California like Brian Wilson. And "That Lucky Old Sun,"-- an improbably profound tribute to Errol Flynn, Mexican girls, surfers and stars-- reminded me that there is a heartbeat in L.A. You just have to listen. Listen. Listen.

Re: Jan [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 09:13 PM CDT

The masters for Carnival of Sound are owned by Warner Bros. , so I would expect that to be a Rhino Handmade release (unless they decide to farm it out).

I read Bob Greene's "Surf City" book in one sitting . . . and for what it is, I found it enjoyable. And I've told Bob as much.

But what is it? . . . It's a memoir of a high-profile columnist and writer (himself tainted by personal scandal) who played weekend and summer gigs with Jan & Dean, beginning in 1992.

The book does contain a certain amount of pro-Dean Torrence propaganda . . . but I was also pleased to see Bob strike a measure of balance, acknowledging Jan & Dean's personal conflicts . . . which helps temper the "Dean as a long-sufffering daddy to a brain-damaged Jan" rhetoric.

See, the problem is . . . neither Bob Greene, nor his longer-serving "bandmates" in the J&D touring pantheon, knew Jan Berry before his accident. And Bob acknowledges this fact in the book, in a way that's meaningful.

These are people -- to a man, aside from Dean Torrence -- who only knew Jan as a cripple . . . often to be made fun of . . . or to be praised condescendingly for his perseverance. Like : "Awwwww . . . the poor guy. Good for him." For the most part, these people have no idea who Jan Berry was before his accident.

So as usual, this gives us the company-signed songwriter and producer . . . (that would be Jan) . . . as seen through that lens, while also being filtered through the spin of Dean Torrence (himself bitter about his past relationship with Jan). And Dean was these peoples' boss in the touring operation . . . and so that's where all of their loyalties and biases fall . . . to the guy who signed their paychecks.

In their live shows . . . they now play maybe four Jan & Dean songs . . . and the rest are Beach Boys songs, and tunes by other artists.

I don't see any malice here, on the part of the band members . . . I just think it's a severe lack of knowledge and insight on the part of people who were hired to play for Jan & Dean since 1978. And they wouldn't know any better . . . because Dean is the guy who could speak normally, putting his own spin on things, and who was paying the band.

Plus, Jan frustrated the hell out of everyone . . . so it was a volatile mix, at all times.

M.

Brian Wilson, American Nerd [Smiley Smile Dot Net]

Posted: 30 May 2008 09:01 PM CDT

Benjamin Nugent on the inherent nerdiness of Brian Wilson:

I believe there are two main categories of nerds: one type, disproportionately male, is intellectual in ways that strike people as machinelike, and socially awkward in ways that strike people as machinelike. These nerds are people who remind others, sometimes pleasantly, of machines.

Do I mean that nerds in this category are robots made of flesh and blood? No.

Brian Wilson is not into the ocean. "I'm afraid of the water," he says when people ask him about surfing. One interviewer has described his "Rain Man-like personality" as being reminiscent of a "voice-mail menu." Wilson is from Hawthorne, California, ten minutes from the Pacific, which makes his hydrophobia impressive. But his mother, Audree, has long maintained that he hummed the entire melody of "The Marines' Hymn" before he could talk, and that his mastery of musical instruments proceeded apace. When his younger brother Dennis persuaded him to write a song about a new teen pastime, he came up with "Surfin'," which became the Wilson brothers' first hit and led to their reinvention as the Beach Boys. Wilson proceeded to paint a fantasia in song, an amber-encased America ruled by athletes with multiple vehicles and multiple girlfriends. In the mid-1960s, as the rest of the Beach Boys toured Asia, he surrounded himself with studio musicians and recorded Pet Sounds, making Coke bottles into percussion instruments, recording in a pit of sand to get the right sound, writing string charts, and letting other people write his lyrics. The more the world fell for his make-believe, the more time he spent alone in his studio, sequestered from the world, living with equipment.

Wilson did things a machine cannot do. His work was more intuitive than logical. Nerds of this kind, crucially, are not actually like machines; they just remind people of them. They get stuck with the name "nerd" because their outward behavior can make them seem less than, and more than, human.

American Nerd: The Story of My People
by Benjamin Nugent

Brian May On HOLY MAN [Smiley Smile Dot Net]

Posted: 30 May 2008 08:52 PM CDT

Brian May described the experience of working on HOLY MAN on his blog:

I got inspired when Taylor sent me the track in its raw state, with a really soulful vocal from Taylor. It was a song which Dennis Wilson had begun, shortly before he died, but never finished. Beautiful piano playing, wonderful spiritual feel. The producers of the new Dennis Wilson release had asked Taylor Hawkins to sing on the track, and, by instinctive 'feel', finish the song. He had done an amazing job. Taylor had a feeling we could contribute, so he sent me a ProTools session of it. If you were a fan of the Beach Boys, you'll remember Dennis was not known as the principal songwriter, and was regarded by many as just a band member who was carried along. But, of all of the band, it was only Dennis who actually led the life of a surfer, and as time went on, it became obvious that he had a lot to say. He came into his own as a writer, and is now regarded by many as truly at the heart of what the Beach Boys were, and are, in the history of Rock.

So the track arrived, and I was moved ... so much so, that it hadn't even got to the end of the first playing before I was down in the studio, playing along ... inspired. I plunged in, and did a kind of resculpting, about three days work, as perhaps you'll eventually hear - and sent back a rough mix of what I'd done. It involved mapping and singing some backing vocals for the lead vocal to bounce off, building the rhythm track with guitars, and playing a solo. I then extended the song a little, to try to make the point a little stronger, and made an ending which resolved to something very much like the opening of the track - just subtly changed. The whole track spoke to me like a poem, and seemed to be steeped in the spirit of this mysterious man, the Beach Boy Who Surfed. And I wanted to do my bit to realise it to the full. Taylor was hugely enthusiastic, and we then asked Roger to add his magic. Roger loved it too, added his voice to the harmonies, and did some nice percussion, so the whole thing now had a subtle Queen overtone. We all loved the track - and hoped that we would see it on the Dennis album.

Sadly, we then found out that the producers of the album had gone ahead and compiled the album without waiting for us. I think there is some plan to issue it as a download, but obviously, having put so much love into it, we were a little disappointed, Taylor and Roger and me.

Jerry Cole has passed away [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 06:29 PM CDT

I just found out that Jerry Cole, the legendary guitarist who helped shape a the guitar sound of the '60s and played on many a Beach Boys session, has passed away at age 68.

I had the privilege of recording literally side by side with Jerry late last year and even gigged with him earlier this year at NAMM. He was a brilliant guitarist, and a real character.

I posted a blog about him on my myspace page, but given that it's an insufficient tribute I won't repost it here. I know he was much admired by many of us, and wanted to let folks know.

adam marsland
www.myspace.com/adammarsland

Re: Jan [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 06:00 PM CDT

Quote from: Mark A. Moore on May 30, 2008, 05:19:45 PM

Quote from: loveandmercy on May 30, 2008, 04:21:08 PM

Hey Mark,

I have a J&D related question you might be able to help me answer. I have been wondering lately what studio albums feature the Fantastic Baggys on backing vocals. Everyone knows they are Little Old Lady and while listening to Folk & Roll I assumed they were on that LP (especially considering the 3 PF Sloan songs), and I know they are credited on Command Performance. What else were they on?

The Baggys sang on the Dead Man's Curve/New Girl In School, Ride the Wild Surf, and Little Old Lady from Pasadena albums (1964). Those LPS feature some of Jan & Dean's best album cuts.

M.

M.

Thanks! I'm going to have to pick those albums up....what do you think the chances are of Collector's Choice releasing some sort of Carnival of Sound release? Shot in the dark, I know....I just think people need to know about COS, its too great to have been living in the shadows for so long.

Also, do you have any thoughts on the book When We Get to Surf City? Just found out about it...

Re: Jan [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 05:19 PM CDT

Quote from: loveandmercy on May 30, 2008, 04:21:08 PM

The Baggys sang on the Dead Man's Curve/New Girl In School, Ride the Wild Surf, and Little Old Lady from Pasadena albums (1964). Those LPS feature some of Jan & Dean's best album cuts.

M.

M.

Re: Here Comes The Night 1967 Organ? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 05:01 PM CDT

Well, it sure sounds like the Baldwin to me, but the Beach Boys owned a lot of organs so it's not just either or. It could have been a Farfisa like on Wild Honey (the song). Or something else.

Re: Anyone going to a Tom Waits concert this summer? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 04:23 PM CDT

you guys seen this? its pretty awesome, classic tom...
http://www.npr.org/blogs/allsongs/2008/05/an_interview_with_tom_waits_by.html

Re: Jan [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 04:21 PM CDT

Re: Dennis' inspiration for Bambu? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 04:12 PM CDT

makes sense... LOL

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Re: Muscle Beach Party [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 04:11 PM CDT

Quote from: mrski on May 29, 2008, 01:32:59 PM

Quote from: loveandmercy on May 26, 2008, 04:59:04 PM

Quote from: brianc on May 22, 2008, 11:54:39 AM

Agreed on the Annette "Muscle Beach Party" album. It's a great one. Not the film soundtrack versions, but excellent re-records of BW/RC/GU tunes nonetheless. Plus, as you said, a bunch of other Christian/Usher tunes featuring the Honeys on backups. Good call.

The Honeys are on Annette's Muscle beach Party, hey? I never knew that...cool, will keep my eyes peeled.

Yes they are...!

To quote liner notes from The Honeys Capitol Collectors Series CD:

'Gary Usher would soon call upon The Honeys' singing skills again, this time to provide background vocals on Annette's 'Muscle beach party' album. Ginger recalls, "What's interesting is that Gary would say to me, 'Would you put down a work vocal, 'cause Annette can't sing on her own? She needs someone to sing with.'... So I'd put a work vocal on and she'd sing the part, and then he'd just turn off my part and it would leave her."'

Muscle Beach Party (Usher/Wilson/Christian)
A Girl Needs A Boy (Hemric/Styner)
Surfer's Holiday (Usher/Wilson/Christian)
I Dream About Frankie (Styner/Hemric)
Muscle Bustle (Usher/Wilson/Christian)
Merlin Jones (Sherman/Sherman)

Custom City (Usher/Christian)
Draggin' USA (Usher/Christian)
Rebel Rider (Usher/Christian)
Waikiki (Usher/Christian)
Shut Down Again (Usher/Christian)
The Scrambled Egghead (Sherman/Sherman)

Track it down if you can,... it really is alot of fun!!

Actually saw a copy on LP a week or so before reading this post....will probably go grab it this weekend. Thought it looked cool, but was semi pricey ($25) so I didn't buy it at first. Didn't realize The Honeys were on it though, that seals the deal for me! I love those ladies!! (and met them all last year, they were so nice)

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Posted: 30 May 2008 02:47 PM CDT

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Re: Is Dick Rising a real person? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 May 2008 12:43 PM CDT

Quote from: Christian on May 30, 2008, 07:47:23 AM

I hope you don´t mind if I try to give a serious answer.

quote from "Surf´s Up" by Brad Elliott (page 358):

"It was reported that Richard Reising, who sang backing vocals on Boats Against The Current by Eric Carmen, was Brian Wilson. Collectors assumed the name was an alias for Brian, based on the mention of Dick Reising (a Capitol promotion man in Europe) in the 1964 cut, Bull Session With The Big Daddy. It seemed a logical conclusion. Bruce Johnston sang on three songs on Boats and Brian reportedly visited the Carmen sessions.
It soon became obvious that Reising was an actual person - in fact the guitarist for Carmen´s Touring band."

Maybe wrong, but that´s what Elliott had to say.

I would've guessed it would have been an alias for Dennis, not Brian, if it was indeed an alias. I mean, just think of how Dennis was.