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Re: ricky fataar and blondie chaplin [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 Jun 2008 05:11 AM CDT

Ricky also lived in Australia during the 80s working as a musician and producer on both music recordings and movie soundtracks (Spotswood, High Tide). He produced top selling albums for artists such as Renee Geyer, Mental As Anything, Peter Blakely, Tim Finn (brother of Neil/Crowded House alumni), The Riptides, Jimmy Little, Wendy Mathews and more. Ricky also did a lot of session work while in Oz and drummed on many albums and singles. His most consistant work was as drummer in the touring Renne Geyer Band. He left Australia to rejoin the Bonnie Raitt Band.

Re: ricky fataar and blondie chaplin [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 Jun 2008 01:53 AM CDT

I've posted about this several times here, but Blondie turned up in a mid-eighties line-up of the Byrds that I saw perform in a small bar in Macon, Georgia.  I didn't notice he was there until he stepped up to sing "Sail On, Sailor" and I about fell out of my chair.

How many Byrds were on the stage? What the heck were you looking at? Razz

Might have been "THE BYRDS 20TH ANNIVERSARY TRIBUTE TOUR" in 1985. On stage were Gene Clark, Michael Clarke, John York, Rick Roberts, Rick Danko, Richard Manuel (or Greg Harris) & Blondie Chaplin.

Blondie also played with a Skip Battin/Michael Clarke-led Byrds in 1989.

Brother Records YouTube Copyright Claims [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 Jun 2008 01:48 AM CDT

Hello,
They once again deleted my Smile Mix, which is no problem of course. I'm just wondering why they always delete such things but that it's apparently no problem that the complete Pet Sounds, Smiley Smile & Wild Honey albums are available, also Brian's SMiLE & more complete albums. I think they should start there. Thanks.

On another note, Sony asked to remove the "Holy Man" video, because they want to make it available on YouTube after clearing some legal problems.

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Re: ricky fataar and blondie chaplin [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 Jun 2008 01:41 AM CDT

Blondie had a recent AWESOME acoustic release which is a must have titled BETWEEN US available here:

http://shop.bigkarmarecords.com/

Highly recommended!

For whatever reason, I was never able to get into this release...listened numerous times, but it just didn't click with me.  His first solo album from 1977, though, is great!  Lyrics are a bit repetitive, but still a solid effort.

Re: 80s/90s Brian covers project! [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 30 Jun 2008 12:48 AM CDT

That's fine with me if you want to take charge, Matt. I know my track would probably need some mastering done to it, haha. And that's what I was thinking of making it an 'album' so-to-speak with everything together (my p.o.v on it anyhow haha) as a single upload, not that I mind downloading them separate.

Well I say mastering but more a program which I can adjust relative volumes and crossfades and stuff. I can eq stuff too but it might come out sounding bad so I would recommend whoever does their tracks to eq them as best they can.

Re: Most mind bending thing I ever read [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 09:37 PM CDT

I thought that the Madonna debate was interesting at times. One thing that could have been added is why Brian may be regarded higher than Madonna. Not sales vs. art.

Brian, back in the day could write, produce, play multiple instruments, arrange and  generallly do it all. I wonder how much Madonna could do. She can dance and sing, but how much of the actual songwriting did she do? I just can't imagine her sitting down at a piano and figuring out notes and arrangements etc. Put Madonna alone in a studio and tell her to come up with something without others and do the same to Brian (not saying Brian didn't have help along the way either). To me she was more of an image that was sold and marketed. She was great at doing this, but I am not convinced that she was the musical brians behind her music. Also, wasn't one of the songs on Ray of Light a partial lift from Feel Flows?

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Posted: 29 Jun 2008 07:34 PM CDT

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Re: ricky fataar and blondie chaplin [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 06:52 PM CDT

I've posted about this several times here, but Blondie turned up in a mid-eighties line-up of the Byrds that I saw perform in a small bar in Macon, Georgia.  I didn't notice he was there until he stepped up to sing "Sail On, Sailor" and I about fell out of my chair.

How many Byrds were on the stage? What the heck were you looking at? Razz

Blondie also collaborated and played guitar on an album with David Johansen (after his New York Dolls days) in the early 1980's. I have it on vinyl somewhere....

Re: 80s/90s Brian covers project! [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 06:39 PM CDT

Thanks. As for the arrangements, I kind of intended to keep it simple, so I don't think I'd want to use the ending's instrumentation earlier. That was more just a change of pace.

Re: ricky fataar and blondie chaplin [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 06:36 PM CDT

I've posted about this several times here, but Blondie turned up in a mid-eighties line-up of the Byrds that I saw perform in a small bar in Macon, Georgia.  I didn't notice he was there until he stepped up to sing "Sail On, Sailor" and I about fell out of my chair.

Re: 80s/90s Brian covers project! [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 06:31 PM CDT

I like the arrangement of the ending... it would be cool to hear the whole song with that sort of instrumentation.

Re: Three questions for Stebbins primiarly...(but any help appreciated) [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 05:10 PM CDT

First of all, I want to thank Jon for all of his work and the determination to get this great new POB/Bambu set in stores. I never thought I'd see the day.

Two questions are popping into my mind as I listen, I apologize if these are common questions or have been asked to you a lot during this product's release:
1. What was Kalinch's contribution to "Love Remember Me"? It seems like he was from another 'era' (for lack of a better word) of Dennis' songwriting. Also, this is far and away my favorite Bambu track, so much emotion.
2. Has Christine McVie talked about Dennis recently, or ever to you personally? I know she's in England and retired, but she seems like such an open and friendly person (sorry, I've never met her but did see her in concert), that I don't know if she would deny an interview.
3. Do you like Bruce's production on "Love Surrounds Me" on the LA Light Album? Personally, I think it's piss-poor, the new version is much superior. Bruce's production gives it no real ambience, sucks the life right out of the tune, everything's so dry, and I don't like the particular high voice that's not McVie.
1) Stevie wrote some of those lyrics...their collaboration continued on and off through the POB period.
2)Christine rarely mentioned Dennis through the years, citing it as too painful, although lately she's said a few things about him...maybe its time for her perspective.
3)I like Hanlon's mix of Love Surrounds Me better than the L.A. Light mix..and its nice to hear a bit more of Christine in this version.
Thanks for giving us your thoughts Jon.

Re: 80s/90s Brian covers project! [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 05:00 PM CDT

I too like your version of "Where Has Love Been", Luther. I forgot about that tune. Looking forward to what you're doing with it. I might give the Imagination album a listen this week, one of my favorite albums actually.
I put the current--but not necessarily final--version on my myspace. Have a listen if you'd like. http://myspace.com/thebeaumondes

Re: POB debuts in Billboard catalog chart at #8 [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 04:26 PM CDT

Daily Chart update:

2nd week in the UK: #49

Re: 80s/90s Brian covers project! [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 04:06 PM CDT

That's fine with me if you want to take charge, Matt. I know my track would probably need some mastering done to it, haha. And that's what I was thinking of making it an 'album' so-to-speak with everything together (my p.o.v on it anyhow haha) as a single upload, not that I mind downloading them separate. I've been working out how I want to perform "Soul Searching". Going to start on it tonight and work on it a lot during the day tomorrow before work Smiley

I too like your version of "Where Has Love Been", Luther. I forgot about that tune. Looking forward to what you're doing with it. I might give the Imagination album a listen this week, one of my favorite albums actually.

Re: Three questions for Stebbins primiarly...(but any help appreciated) [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 04:01 PM CDT

First of all, I want to thank Jon for all of his work and the determination to get this great new POB/Bambu set in stores. I never thought I'd see the day.

Two questions are popping into my mind as I listen, I apologize if these are common questions or have been asked to you a lot during this product's release:
1. What was Kalinch's contribution to "Love Remember Me"? It seems like he was from another 'era' (for lack of a better word) of Dennis' songwriting. Also, this is far and away my favorite Bambu track, so much emotion.
2. Has Christine McVie talked about Dennis recently, or ever to you personally? I know she's in England and retired, but she seems like such an open and friendly person (sorry, I've never met her but did see her in concert), that I don't know if she would deny an interview.
3. Do you like Bruce's production on "Love Surrounds Me" on the LA Light Album? Personally, I think it's piss-poor, the new version is much superior. Bruce's production gives it no real ambience, sucks the life right out of the tune, everything's so dry, and I don't like the particular high voice that's not McVie.
1) Stevie wrote some of those lyrics...their collaboration continued on and off through the POB period.
2)Christine rarely mentioned Dennis through the years, citing it as too painful, although lately she's said a few things about him...maybe its time for her perspective.
3)I like Hanlon's mix of Love Surrounds Me better than the L.A. Light mix..and its nice to hear a bit more of Christine in this version.

Re: brianwilson.com - New TLOS VIdeo [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 03:24 PM CDT

It's just unbelievable to me that there are people putting Brian Wilson in a category of old rock stars who have never gone crap en put McCartney and The rolling Stones in the one that got crappy. I mean, christ, are you out of your mind? :D Brian as a solo artist imo has never released an album anywhere near as good as mccartney's worst. All we have is BW '88 with great songs but the worst ever production, a record like Press To Play was for McCartney. But where for McCartney PTP was a low, it's Brian's best solo statement so far (excluding SMiLE). He doesn't have a McCartney, a RAM, A Band On The Run, a Venus & Mars, A Tug Of War, a Flaming Pie, a C&C or a MAF to show that he's a truly good and convincing solo artist.

Um, wait right there. I didn't say Wilson had "never put out crap", I said that he's "considered never to have gone crap" - ie. critics generally like him even when he puts out a dud, the overall critical consensus (not us here, whining about minutae) is that he's still got a good track record and nevertheless is still good.

As for McCartney, he's frittered away a lot of critical goodwill with subpar albums. For my part, I've enjoyed little bits here and there of his 90s/2000s stuff -what I've heard of it - and believe that Calico Skies is as good as just anything he wrote as a Beatle. I couldn't care less about most of Wings though.

That's nothing to do with what I feel. To be honest, I haven't even bothered to buy a few of Brian's albums (I own 88, Imagination, OCA (somewhere), Roxy and Smile. I will pick up TLOS.)  I'm talking about the Critical Consensus.

And if you think the Stones never went crap, then you're out of your mind. The only question is, when should they have split up, 1973, 1978 or 1981? Voodoo Lounge has some moments - New Faces, The Worst, that are very good indeed, but even that's fifteen years ago. Now they produce tired by-the-numbers albums and lifeless, over-slick shows.

Re: brianwilson.com - New TLOS VIdeo [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 03:16 PM CDT

Oh I shouldn't have opened the McCartney bag! Evidently not everyone's sharing the love. That's OK what me-that's what makes the world go round. I'm off to listen to Flowers in the Dirt in the mean time.

Re: 1966 Promo Film Dates [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 02:43 PM CDT

I have no reason to doubt Badman's dates for the pool shoot or forest shoot-he states as April 24 and 25 1966. However-the Good Vibrations shoot is probably misdated by him.  He dates it as filmed on Oct 23 1966 but this is hard to really believe because  A) The BBs were in Michigan on Oct 22 and Brian joined them. Brian than flew back to California for the famous photo-but not with the BBs.  So implication is that BBs didn't fly back to CA that night.  b) They were in Paris on Oct 24 and would have flown from New York-it is probable that they went straight to Europe after Oct 22 without returning to CA
That being said-They mention the Good Vibrations film while in Europe as already filmed-so it was done probably in October, just not necessarily Oct 23

Re: 80s/90s Brian covers project! [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 02:32 PM CDT


Nice rendition of 'Where has love been' Luther, it sounds sort of Beatles-y to me, I like the upbeat outro too - this is exactly what I mean! I'm not normally too fussed on peoples renditions of BB stuff but in this context its really interesting.
I've been messing quite a bit with it this afternoon, so expect something else before long. Same basic track, but significant changes to the "You've Touched Me" section.

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Re: 80s/90s Brian covers project! [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 01:51 PM CDT

I don't mind how we do it, I suppose it would be nice to put it into some sort of upload for everyone however many tracks it will turn out to be. I don't mind doing it (I have some amateur mastering software so I can fiddle with stuff) or someone else, i'm easy.
Nice rendition of 'Where has love been' Luther, it sounds sort of Beatles-y to me, I like the upbeat outro too - this is exactly what I mean! I'm not normally too fussed on peoples renditions of BB stuff but in this context its really interesting.
Typically I haven't finished anything yet but have started on my version of 'Lets do it again'. The only other Brian song i've done previously was 'That special feeling' (which I posted here a long time ago) but here's the link from my website to download it anyway if anyones interested;

http://www.thebrigadier.co.uk/music-group-16.html

Re: 1966 Promo Film Dates [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 01:37 PM CDT

Yeah, there's been some artistic license taken with some of these films.  For instance, the fire engine Good Vibrations film was used with the song "Fire" in the American Band video.

Re: brianwilson.com - New TLOS VIdeo [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 01:12 PM CDT

I'm a McCartney fan but I'm well aware that his prime was in his first 2 professional decades. I'm glad he keeps releasing new cds, some I like, others gather dust forever in my shelf, but I don't fool myself believing that at this point he's gonna release something that will change people's mind about his work. It just won't happen.

Re: brianwilson.com - New TLOS VIdeo [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 12:43 PM CDT

I guess I skipped some of this thread--did anyone say Wilson never put out some crap? I highly doubt it. I think most everyone would admit that he's been pretty uneven at best. But I think you're overrating McCartney there, too. He's had more than his share of garbage. More good and more garbage, because he's put out so much more. I consider most of his work as being pleasant throwaway music.

Re: brianwilson.com - New TLOS VIdeo [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 12:31 PM CDT

It's just unbelievable to me that there are people putting Brian Wilson in a category of old rock stars who have never gone crap en put McCartney and The rolling Stones in the one that got crappy. I mean, christ, are you out of your mind? :D Brian as a solo artist imo has never released an album anywhere near as good as mccartney's worst. All we have is BW '88 with great songs but the worst ever production, a record like Press To Play was for McCartney. But where for McCartney PTP was a low, it's Brian's best solo statement so far (excluding SMiLE). He doesn't have a McCartney, a RAM, A Band On The Run, a Venus & Mars, A Tug Of War, a Flaming Pie, a C&C or a MAF to show that he's a truly good and convincing solo artist.

Re: brianwilson.com - New TLOS VIdeo [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Jun 2008 12:27 PM CDT

Most of what I've read is along the lines of "it's pretty, which isn't a surprise because of course Paul is great with melodies. nice enough." I've heard some of it, and that's my opinion, too. It sounds nice enough, but not "serious." I don't want to knock him or sound elitist here, but it's not really the work of a composer skilled in that type of music. My understanding is that he uses other people to arrange the works, sort of the way the Beatles did with George Martin decades ago. And to me, a huge part of composition in that type of music is arranging, understanding the instruments at your disposal, their ranges, their tonal colors, the general technical aspects of them to ensure you write appropriate parts (not impossible ones), etc. The music I've heard sounds more like "lite classical," music using traditional orchestral instruments but not necessarily for much more than easy listening. Again, I haven't heard all of it, so I don't pretend to know everything about his work. But those are the impressions I've had, and from those reviews and stories I've read: that generally, this "classical" music is more likely to impress pop fans than classical (I hate that word, actually, but it's the most understood one) audiences.

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