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| Re: Beach Boys Tape Library Picture [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 May 2008 06:36 AM CDT And besides that, what are the Capitol and Reprise master tapes doing together? As I understand it, as part of their settlement with Capitol the Beach Boys gained ownership of their post-1965 masters. As part of their deal with Reprise, they leased them to Reprise for reissue. According to Bruce a few years back, they own all their masters now. They've leased them exclusively to Capitol for some time now. I seem to recall Ed Roach said the photo was from the Brother library. Alan, correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. | ||
| Re: Beach Boys Tape Library Picture [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 May 2008 05:56 AM CDT are there any pics of Mike's on-stage costume rack from the 70's?  ? | ||
| Re: \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 May 2008 05:00 AM CDT I agree 100% at least 1 Dennis song would have been, uh, fair! But let's not worry about the original release. This is the "expanded and remastered" age we're living in. What about the other shows that were recorded from those tours? The record company wouldn't sell a single copy-less if they'd put something extra on there, but they would sell more!!!! And about the pre 66 stuff: The bad rap all that stuff has gotten is from lazy "fans" who can't wrap their minds around the supposed leaps and bounds made by Brian and Co. from 65-67. It was always there! As I've said a million times, the pre 66 stuff is earth-shattering in it's historical and sociological signifigance. Plus, it rocks! How can you go wrong with a good Surf song? And why should the Boys have been upset when crowds went into happy hysterics when the opening chords of Fun Fun Fun rang out? Before you judge and dissect and go the "allmusic-guide-Dominic Piore-route, just imagine how it must have felt on stage to have the crowds going insane as you busted out hit after hit after hit after hit after hit! This is some powerful $%&%% we're talking about here. | ||
| Re: \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 May 2008 04:08 AM CDT The Beach Boys in concert should have had at least 4 songs sung by Dennis on it. I've Got A Friend, Forever, Cuddle Up, perhaps his lead on Help Me Rhonda. They would have made this a killer album. Top it off with Blondie doing River song and it would have been perfect. The original 1972 version looked sloppier but it had a more daring line up. Wonderbill, Surf's Up, Long Promised Road. Nothing from before 1966 should have been used. But that would've been pretty unlikely. I agree that Dennis should have had some of his songs on it and Al too, that way each member would've been represented. But I think 4 songs by Dennis would've been too much, no matter how great they are/were. I also think that the pre-66 songs have their right to be there. After all they made the Beach Boys famous and they really rock. I think the released album is great and shows almost every side of the band. But I also would love to hear some more stuff from that time, especially Dennis. I just don't think that they should have built this album around that.... | ||
| BRIAN WILSON-RARITIES ["brian wilson"] Posted: 08 May 2008 03:35 AM CDT | ||
| Re: \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 May 2008 02:30 AM CDT A live Slip On Through exists but it's from a 1970 TV show. For a track released as a 45, it was odd that it never seemed to have a live shelf life. | ||
| Re: \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 May 2008 02:09 AM CDT I've always thought a live Steamboat would be cool. Yeah! With an extended steel guitar solo, longer than the album version.  It would have been great to hear the Blondie/Ricky era lineup do "Got To Know The Woman", or "Slip On Through". | ||
| Re: Beach Boys Tape Library Picture [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 May 2008 02:00 AM CDT | ||
| Re: Beach Boys Tape Library Picture [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 May 2008 01:44 AM CDT | ||
| Re: Beach Boys Tape Library Picture [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 May 2008 12:26 AM CDT Was this photo published in any old book? I may be wrong, but it looks like a Photoshop job. | ||
| Beach Boys Tape Library Picture [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 May 2008 12:15 AM CDT I was looking through another part of this board today, and I once again came across a picture I meant to save on my hard drive long ago. Its the semi-legendary picture of the Beach Boys tape library, circa mid 1970s. Like many of you, I'm fascinated by this picture:  This is actually a very high resolution scan of this picture, and if you save it to your hard drive, you'll find that you really can zoom in closely on it. Here's a bit of a guided tour through this picture. The top shelf runs the gamut of familiar BB album titles- Little Deuce Coupe, Concert, Shut Down Volume II, All Summer Long, Christmas, Today, Summer Days, Party, Pet Sounds, Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Friends 20/20, Sunflower, Surf's Up, So Tough, Holland, and the 1970s Concert album. Next to the shelf are a few signs. The first is only partially readable (I see the name Robert in there), the next one down says "Studio and Engineering by Paul Bramsem". The last sign says "Thanks also, The Beach Boys! (especially Brian)". The next shelf down reveals some very interesting tape box titles: 1. Add Some Music To Your Day (presumably the early version of Sunflower) 2. London (Live In London?) 3. Tracks (no idea what this is) 4. Another Copy of Pet Sounds (this one is marked "Mono") 5. Spring 6. Bellagio/Holland (what the )7. Vegetables (some sessions from the Smile Era?) 6. Summer Concert (eh?) 7. Holland 8. Surf's Up 9. Sunflower (Are these last three just backup copies or something?) 10. Beach Boys Remote, St. Paul (presumably a live recording... does this tape still exist?) 11. Misc. Beach Boys Material And finally, the most incredibly interesting tapes: 12. "Brian" 13. "Brian- Dumb Angel" There is also another tape sitting next to the Dumb Angel one, which is not entirely visible. First off, I'm wondering exactly where this picture was taken. Is this the Capitol vault, containing the masters to everything? Its strange to see what appear to be rough session tapes (Vegetables, Misc Tracks, etc), lined up next to what appear to be the masters Capitol and Reprise would possess. And besides that, what are the Capitol and Reprise master tapes doing together? Perhaps this is the Beach Boys vault, but I wasn't aware that a set of masters were also kept there. Also, how many of these tapes are still in existence today? I know the Dumb Angel tape is apparently long gone... | ||
| Re: Alleged TLOS demos... [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 May 2008 11:40 PM CDT Well, I think some of this goes too far. Saying that Brian and the band could have done more on an original, creative level in the last 10 years is one thing. Saying Brian is being manipulated or controlled is quite another. For what it's worth, I think Brian is probably quite content to be creative sometimes, and not creative a lot of other times. The issue is how those around him deal with that. I think his inner circle can sometimes force him at times he doesn't want to be forced. I think his band (his outer circle, so to speak) is so reluctant to ever force him that they sometimes miss out on the potential for great things. | ||
| Re: Alleged TLOS demos... [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 May 2008 11:26 PM CDT I've decided I'm not going to worry or stress over anything I can't control. Over the past 10 years I've received more from Brian than I ever expected and I'm more than happy with that. Brian and his People or the People and their Brian can do whatever they want. I saw TLOS with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears and I'm happy with that - if it never makes to record or CD then its just sad too bad. | ||
| Re: Alleged TLOS demos... [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 May 2008 11:17 PM CDT Since he had that onstage episode last year I feel more then ever that Brian is being led by the nose down the wrong path. Seeing how blank he looks lately on things like the Kennedy Honors breaks my heart really. What happened onstage last year? I never heard about that... This is all I'll say: I was anticipating the studio version of TLOS with uncommon impatience. Not so much any more. I think... to expect another BWPS could now be unrealistic. This is very disturbing.  | ||
| Re: \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 May 2008 11:07 PM CDT I've always thought a live Steamboat would be cool. | ||
| Re: \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 May 2008 10:53 PM CDT The Beach Boys in concert should have had at least 4 songs sung by Dennis on it. I've Got A Friend, Forever, Cuddle Up, perhaps his lead on Help Me Rhonda. They would have made this a killer album. Top it off with Blondie doing River song and it would have been perfect. The original 1972 version looked sloppier but it had a more daring line up. Wonderbill, Surf's Up, Long Promised Road. Nothing from before 1966 should have been used. | ||
| Re: Alleged TLOS demos... [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 May 2008 10:49 PM CDT Wasn't Adult Child the last time Brian really took charge? I think after that he wasn't able to and he for the most part is that yawning figure seen in the Smile doc. He comes to life under the right circumstances, but because he is dependent on others to such a high degree it is hit and miss. I see the whole hits tour, Al "leaving", the tribute dvd's as slaps in the face. I don't ecactly blame Brian but he does let this stuff happen. He still has a lot of talent but nobody seems to realize that these musicians are important and should be treated like the equal partners they are. Otherwise we will get another Sweet Insanity or Stars and Stripes debacle or something unfocussed as GIOMH. Personally if Brian retired after Smile it may have been better all around. LOS has promise but if it's not going to be done right I rather stick with what's floating around now. Since he had that onstage episode last year I feel more then ever that Brian is being led by the nose down the wrong path. Seeing how blank he looks lately on things like the Kennedy Honors breaks my heart really. | ||
| Re: \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 May 2008 10:26 PM CDT If I had been in charge of releasing a live album from that period, I would have included at least half of the Carnage Hall 1972 show. | ||
| Brian Wilson Presents Smile - New DVD BRAND NEW ["brian wilson"] Posted: 07 May 2008 09:49 PM CDT
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| Re: Alleged TLOS demos... [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 May 2008 09:11 PM CDT Very very sad. I agree with the above sentiments that even with all the touring, the BWPS mind blow and the TLOS surprise, I've always felt as if there was a great unsaid - why didn't these greyhounds just GO and knock out some great studio experiments with Brian? Sometimes I'm afraid that its possible the here n now Brian has a lot more in common with the yawning, slightly 'down' fellow in the early BWPS rehearsal vids. Maybe the reason it never fully came together is that Brian was never fully capable of seeing it through. I'll be interested in seeing whether the greatest hits tour this summer will basically be a warmed over version of the casino line up I saw in Vancouver last summer. Stripped down and quick n dirty. They are playing casinos this go round anyway. If the TLOS release ends up dumbing down the freshness of the London shows, I'm glad that I downloaded the London shows and downloaded the demos. VERY pleased. If that offends the inner circle, well - that's just too bad. That lucky old sun will still come up tomorrow. | ||
| Re: Please help me with \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 May 2008 07:58 PM CDT Mark, Those strings are wonderful colouring for a song that could have been sung with a moog tracking and a click track, and it would have been a great melody. Those strings don't add anything to the hook, brilliant as they are. What "Fire" did with strings was something entirely different. The two can't even be compared. Well yeah . . . you can turn it around and say that there's nothing like the "Fire" strings on Carnival. I guess my point was that they're different . . . thus my statement that there's nothing like the "Fan Tan" string arrangement . . . or the string arrangement for "Love & Hate," for that matter . . . on Smile. Wow . . . There's so much happening, string-wise on "Fan Tan" and "Love & Hate" that doesn't come through on the boots. Some of it does come through . . . but the runs in the background (on both tunes) are phenomenal. Even on the "Fan Tan" string samples I posted, some of the runs are lost at the end. To illustrate, here's an example of the "Fan Tan" string parts as played by woodwinds. You can discern the runs a bit better: "Fan Tan" Strings - As Rendered by Woodwinds (mp3) M. | ||
| Re: \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 May 2008 07:53 PM CDT The vocal melody, too, is uninteresting and the vocals seem weak. But the track is killer. I love the melodica lines. The guitar almost seems percussive. | ||
| Re: Alleged TLOS demos... [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 May 2008 07:52 PM CDT All I can say this is all very sad to watch and hear about. | ||
| Re: Alleged TLOS demos... [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 May 2008 07:26 PM CDT First of all, let's remember that "departures" can be motivated from either side. Thinking "fired" is jumping to conclusions. You are correct of course, but what I've seen written up to this point seems to point towards "fired". Or "eased out" maybe would be a better way to say it. And it may all be just rumor, but if it's true it's not good news. | ||
| Re: Alleged TLOS demos... [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 May 2008 07:13 PM CDT Susan--I probably should not have hit Scott like that. For what it's worth, I think the TLOS songs are excellent, and he obviously played a big role with them. I was just making the larger point that so many opportunities with the band seem to have been passed by. Why didn't Darian and Brian ever write together, for instance? Why didn't all of this talent help Brian create new things? They are clearly capable of cutting an album in a month or two. Where are our half-dozen new BW studio LPs full of band collaborations and their fresh, vibrant playing and singing? That all seemed possible, back in 99-01. Now -- not so much. | ||
| Brian Wilson Southern Pottery Face Jug ["brian wilson"] Posted: 07 May 2008 11:26 AM CDT | ||
| Brian Wilson unused backstage pass ["brian wilson"] Posted: 07 May 2008 09:55 AM CDT | ||
| BRIAN WILSON~1988 PROMO-ONLY HARDCOVER CD! BEACH BOYS ["brian wilson"] Posted: 07 May 2008 12:04 AM CDT |
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