Monday, May 12, 2008

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Re: Overrated artists/albums [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 07:06 AM CDT

I hear you.  As for my contributions to this topic, I was simply addressing the issue of filler.  Whether one artist is better than another is of course subjective; whether an artist has issued tracks like "Our Favorite Recording Sessions" or "Bull Session with the Big Daddy" is not subjective.

Re: Alternate Universe Beach Boys: What if David never quit? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 06:56 AM CDT

Would he have been the first non Wilson-Love composer (not counting instrumentals)?

Would "Our Car Club" have been replaced by "Kustom Kar Show" on LDC?
Would "Cruisin'" have made sure we never would have been subjected to "Cassius Love" on Shut Down 2? Or would a Brian who could stay at home cooked up something even better?
Would "I Wanna Cry" have replaced "Bull Session" on the second side of "Today!"?

Re: Alternate Universe Beach Boys: What if David never quit? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 06:53 AM CDT

Only thing I feel really sure about is that if he had stayed in the band this thread would be about Al, and we'd be saying "Maybe he'd have brought more of a Dylan feel to the band, as well as better dental awareness..."

HAHA! Great post all round, but this really tickled me.

No, you'd have to have Al too, like on the Surfer Girl / Little Deuce Coupe albums. The perfect six-man line-up.

Re: US Singles Collection - Some thoughts [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 06:50 AM CDT

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US Singles Collection - Some thoughts [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 06:30 AM CDT

Was going thru the list of the new singles set (yes I have ordered mine). Still, I am amazed at the tracks we already have. I have highlighted the already releasedtracks in red. The new tracks are in yellow. It makes for interesting reading this way.

CD Single 1
1. Surfin' Safari
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single, Pop #14 / charted 8-11-62
2. 409
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love - Gary Usher)
mono single, Pop #76 / charted 10-13-62
3. 409 (Live)
Recorded live in Chicago 3-27-65, mono mix / previously unreleased (not true, it was a donwload available for WOTS)


CD Single 2
1. Ten Little Indians
(Brian Wilson - Gary Usher)
mono single, Pop #49 / charted 12-1-62
2. County Fair
(Brian Wilson - Gary Usher)
mono single
3. Punchline
(Brian Wilson)
Instrumental, mono mix from Good Vibrations: Thirty Years of the
Beach Boys


CD Single 3
1. Surfin' USA
(Chuck Berry - Brian Wilson)
mono single, Pop #3 / charted 3-23-63; R&B #20 / charted 4-20-63
2. Shut Down
(Brian Wilson - Roger Christian)
mono single, Pop # 23 / charted 4-27-63
3. Surfin' USA
original stereo mix from Surfin' U.S.A.
4. Shut Down
stereo mix from Sounds Of Summer


CD Single 4
1. Surfer Girl
(Brian Wilson)
mono single, Pop #7 / charted 8-3-63; R&B #18 / charted 8-31-63
2. Little Deuce Coupe
(Brian Wilson - Roger Christian)
mono single, Pop #15 / charted 8-17-63; R&B #28 / charted 8-24-63
3. Surfer Girl
original stereo mix from Surfer Girl
4. Little Deuce Coupe
original stereo mix from Surfer Girl


CD Single 5
1. Be True To Your School
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single, Pop #6 / charted 11-2-63; R&B #27 / charted 11-16-63
2. In My Room
(Brian Wilson - Gary Usher)
mono single, Pop #23 / charted 11-2-63
3. Be True To Your School
mono alternate version from Little Deuce Coupe
4. In My Room
original stereo mix from Surfer Girl


CD Single 6
1. Little Saint Nick
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single, Pop #3 / charted 12-21-63; also Pop #6 / charted 12-5-64
2. The Lord's Prayer
(Albert Hay Malotte)
mono single

3. Little Saint Nick
new stereo mix / previously unreleased

4. The Lord's Prayer
stereo mix from Hawthorne, CA


CD Single 7
1. Fun, Fun, Fun
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single, Pop #5 / charted 2-15-64
2. Why Do Fools Fall In Love?
(Frankie Lymon - Morris Levy)
mono single, Pop #120 / charted 2-15-64
3. Fun, Fun, Fun
original stereo mix from Shut Down, Vol. 2

4. Why Do Fools Fall In Love?
alternate mono single edit / previously unreleased


CD Single 8
1. I Get Around
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single, Pop #1 / charted 5-23-64
2. Don't Worry Baby
(Brian Wilson - Roger Christian)
mono single, Pop #24 / charted 5-30-64
3. I Get Around
stereo track mix from Good Vibrations: Thirty Years Of The Beach Boys
4. Don't Worry Baby
original stereo mix from Shut Down, Vol. 2


CD Single 9
1. When I Grow Up To Be A Man
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single, Pop #9 / charted 9-5-64
2. She Knows Me Too Well
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single

3. When I Grow Up To Be A Man
new stereo mix / previously unreleased
4. She Knows Me Too Well
new stereo mix / previously unreleased


CD/EP Single 10
1. Wendy
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono, Pop #44 / charted 10-17-64
2. Don't Back Down
(Brian Wilson)
mono
3. Little Honda
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
Mono, Pop #65 / charted 10-17-64
4. Hushabye
(Doc Pomus - M. Schuman)
mono
5. Wendy
stereo mix from Sounds Of Summer: The Very Best Of The Beach Boys
6. Don't Back Down
original stereo mix from All Summer Long
7. Little Honda
original stereo mix from All Summer Long
8. Hushabye
original stereo mix from All Summer Long


CD Single 11
1. Dance, Dance, Dance
(Brian Wilson - Carl Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single, Pop #8 / charted 11-7-64
2. The Warmth Of The Sun
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single
3. Dance, Dance, Dance
stereo mix from Sounds Of Summer: The Very Best Of The Beach Boys
4. The Warmth Of The Sun
original stereo mix from Shut Down, Vol. 2


CD Single 12
1. The Man With All The Toys
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single, Pop #3 / charted 12-5-64
2. yellow Christmas
(Billy Hayes - J. W. Johnson)
mono single
3. The Man With All The Toys
original stereo mix from The Beach Boys Christmas Album
4. yellow Christmas
original stereo mix from The Beach Boys Christmas Album


CD Single 13
1. Do You Wanna Dance?
(Bobby Freeman)
mono single, Pop #12 / charted 2-27-65
2. Please Let Me Wonder
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)mono single, Pop #52 / charted 3-6-65

3. Do You Wanna Dance?
new stereo track mix / previously unreleased

4. Please Let Me Wonder
stereo mix from The Warmth Of The Sun


CD Single 14
1. Help Me, Rhonda
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single, Pop #1 / charted 4-17-65
2. Kiss Me, Baby
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single
3. Help Me, Rhonda
mono backing track from Beach Boys Party!/Stack-O-Tracks twofer
4. Kiss Me, Baby
stereo mix from The Warmth Of The Sun


CD Single 15
1. California Girls
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single, Pop #3 / charted 7-24-65
2. Let Him Run Wild
(Brian Wilson - Mike Love)
mono single
3. California Girls
stereo mix from Sounds Of Summer: The Very Best Of The Beach Boys
4. Let Him Run Wild
stereo mix from The Warmth Of The Sun


CD Single 16 (Bonus Single)
1. All Dressed Up For School
(Brian Wilson)
mono mix (9-16-64) / previously unreleased original mono mix
2. I'm So Young
(W. H. Tyrus, Jr.)
mono mix (9-9-64) / previously unreleased original mono mix

3. Help Me, Rhonda
alternate mono mix from Endless Harmony
4. Graduation Day
(J. Sherman - N. Sherman)
stereo mix from Today / Summer Days twofer

The Beach Boys will release singles collection [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 06:11 AM CDT



Just happened across this...

http://musicmp3.ru/news_the-beach-boys-will-release-singles-collection.html




The Beach Boys will release singles collection


The Beach Boys will release a collection of all their early singles, from the years 1962 to 1965. The collection will be released on 16 CDs, digital version will also be aveliable.

Each of the CD will include the original single, B sides, and other versions of most tracks, from additional mono and stereo mixes to live recordings. There will be eight previously unreleased mixes among the collection's 66 tracks.

Collection will be released on June 16 by Capitol Records label.



Did we already know this? Sorry if I'm just pointing out something everyone's known for ages...




Re: Alternate Universe Beach Boys: What if David never quit? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 04:16 AM CDT

This is one of those giant questions that no one can answer, or no two people will answer alike.


Dito 

 Grin



But I guess the question is, if Dave would've had time enough to grow on the guitar as he had without the Beach Boys.....

Re: Overrated artists/albums [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 03:25 AM CDT

I don't mean to be trouble for anybody but I kind of think the whole idea of "objectivity" with popular music is more or less BS in my opinion. Also, why would anybody WANT to be objective anyway?

 I mean, what are the criteria and how do you measure it other than subjectively?

 The only real objective measure is record sales, which of course is no way to judge an artist.

 I can see someone saying the Beatles were a more well-rounded band, insofar as they had more than one very good or great songwriter, they had a great lead guitarist and drummer i.e., they had a greater arsenal of "weapons" than the Beach Boys who were perhaps limited by Wilson's vision(even though they were also totally dependent on it.) They were able to do more styles of music, from country/rockabilly to hard-edged r'n'b to sheer hard rock.

But that's stupid. Who listens to an album and says, for example, why didn't they stick a really hard-rockin' Helter Skelter style song here?
 I just dont' get that..

I have no problems with someone saying "The Beatles were a greater band than the Beach Boys." Heck, I might even agree. What i don't get is someone saying "objectively the Beatles were a better band than the Beach Boys.
To reiterate: what instrument measures that?

I could also see someone saying that the Beatles were able to realize their potential to a greater extent and they definitely had far, far greater taste than the Beach boys but I really am going to

 a)disagree that the Beatles mid-to-late sixties output was that much better than the Beach Boys
b) call the idea that "objectively" say, Abbey Road is better than, say, Sunflower pure bullmerda.

I want to stress that I'm not looking for any rancorous arguments here and I have a great respect for nearly all the posters on this board but opinions are opinions as we would all agree and to pass them off as something objective is, well, kind of pretentious.

Regarding the question of "filler"--I think that in the early sixties both bands had "filler" I can list them by the Beatles: Hold Me Tight, Little Child, Devil In Her Heart, When I Get Home, ANytime at all(IMHO), I Only Want To Dance With You, half of HELP(IMHO), Wait, Run For Your Life.
Each of those songs has something going for them, I reckon--with the exception of I Only Want to Dance With You and the Harrison songs on Help!--but so do much of the Beach Boys filler--with the exception, maybe of Denny's Drums and the "skits"--even the skits, I think were probably more a product of BW's weird sense of humor and strange taste(the same taste that compelled him to make a "Party" album that was totally faked. I do skip the skits and I do skip Denny's Drums, but that's about it. I also skip the filler on Beatle's records.

 AS far as their late sixties and early seventies stuff, I really don't hear much of what I would call "filler"--I'm not a big fan of "Add Some Music" or "The Nearest Faraway Place", but I don't know if I would call it "filler" in the sense that I don't think that it was merely tossed off to fill a record..

Re: Beach Boy's Story Coming to the Big Screen [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 03:12 AM CDT

Jeff Bridges would make a great Murry.

Re: Alternate Universe Beach Boys: What if David never quit? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 02:50 AM CDT

That's funny- I had thought of Wild Honey, too.  I think he'd have put a strong stamp on the Surf's Up album, as well.

Re: Larry Levine -RIP [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 02:40 AM CDT

Did you get a chance to know him really well?

Re: Bob Dylan Thread [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 02:36 AM CDT

Quote
he's really into it,

My understanding fo the events is that Bob refused to go out and perform unless his appearance was not filmed.  After some pleading he partially relented allowing just 2 of the 4 songs ('Baby Let Me Follow You' down and 'Forever Young') to be filmed.  So we almost did not get to see it.
Levon Helm has complained (and I can understand the complaint) that  Scorsese made The Band look like Robbie Robertson's sidemen.  Manuel and Hudson certainly didn't get much screen time even when they were singing. 
And of course there is the infamous lump of white powder eventually photo-shopped off of N.Y.'s nose for the  DVD.  Still it was a great event and film of a great band.

Re: Larry Levine -RIP [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 12:59 AM CDT

He was one of the greats........

Re: Larry Levine -RIP [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 12:25 AM CDT

RIP. I hope I make it to 80.

Re: Alternate Universe Beach Boys: What if David never quit? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 12:23 AM CDT

This is one of those giant questions that no one can answer, or no two people will answer alike. But two things I'm sure of...Brian would have been happier because he would not have had to come back to touring full-time in late '63 to late '64 ...he could have done the major gigs, TV shows...but stayed home when the band slogged through lengthy tours. Having both Al and David was a plus for the band in the studio as well. And later on when Carl became more of a vocalist...David would have given the Beach Boys a stronger guitar identity because he was intensely devoted to his instrument, especially on LP's like Wild Honey, which has a bluesy, soul vibe, but is really thin on guitar sounds. David's Moon era guitar style would have been a perfect fit for that album.

Larry Levine -RIP [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 12 May 2008 12:19 AM CDT

LEVINE, Larry May 8, 1928 - May 8, 2008 He had a distinguished career as a recording engineer. After serving in the Korean War, he worked at Gold Star Recording Studios. He created the Wall of Sound with producer Phil Spector, for 26 straight hit records, as well as the engineer for Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass. He earned a grammy award for "A Taste of Honey", was nominated for "Wings", and special effects for "Walking in the Rain". Larry ran the recording studio for A&M Records, and was on the board of Governers of NARAS. After leaving A&M, he engineered Phil Spector's box set, "Back to Mono". Larry recorded the Beach Boys (Pet Sounds), Righteous Brothers (You've Lost That Lovin Feeling), Eddie Cochran, Joe Cocker, Tina Turner, and Burt Bacharach. Larry is survived by his loving wife of 52 years, Lyn; sons, Rick (Audrey), Rob (Sandy), and Michael; grandchildren, Lindsay, Abe, Matt and Alyssa; sister, Joyce Black (Stanley); nieces, nephews, and many cousins. He was a kind and generous gentleman who was deeply loved and admired, and will be greatly missed. Services will be held at Mount Sinai Mortuary, Monday, May 12th, at 2 p.m.
Published in the Los Angeles Times on 5/11/2008.

Re: Pacific Ocean Blue - Review + more news [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 11 May 2008 10:30 PM CDT

This is just incredibly exciting.  Every now and then something gets done just right, and this sounds like it was done just right, in immaculate good taste, with maximum care, skill,  and effort.

Dennis deserves no less.

By far the best Beach Boys album after Sunflower, and its day seems to have finally arrived.  My thanks in advance to everyone who touched it or o.k.ed it.

Re: Alternate Universe Beach Boys: What if David never quit? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 11 May 2008 10:21 PM CDT

I really thought about this topic after hearing David's eye-opening I Think About You Often album. 

I think he'd have brought some harder edges to the band starting in 1966 or so, when he was finally old enough to shave, and a lot of wit and humor, maybe of the "I'd Love Just Once To See You" variety.  His cocky smart-ass sensibility MIGHT have brought more of Dennis' same to the fore, and provided that neither of them did self- immolate in a flaming frenzy of drugs and women and squirt guns filled with pee, he MIGHT have greatly increased Dennis' contributions and sped his development along just by being like-minded and supportive.

I think he'd have brought a stronger guitar sensibility to the band.  I think he'd have emerged as a strong songwriter early and often, probably would have written a hit. Unless he could have found his way into the vocal mix, Dennis would have had to step up and sing more.

I think he'd have impregnated all three Rovell sisters and Ginger, Sharon Marie, Annette (during the "Monkey's Uncle" sessions), Bob and Sheri, and so many others that between him and Mike the Sunflower cover photo would have had to be shot from the air.

Or, he might have filled up a squirt gun with pee, shot Manson with it, and you can guess the rest.

Or, he might have done so much coke that his face caved completely in, and been put in a home, sitting in a chair, strapped to a feeding tube, with no face, visited once by Murry in 1971 to say "Rotsa ruck!"

We'll never know, and more's the pity.  But he's still around, he's making great music right now, and probably peeing into a squirt gun this very moment as Carrie phones her attorney. A tip of my cap to 'em both.

Only thing I feel really sure about is that if he had stayed in the band this thread would be about Al, and we'd be saying "Maybe he'd have brought more of a Dylan feel to the band, as well as better dental awareness..."

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Re: Alleged TLOS demos... [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 11 May 2008 10:07 PM CDT

I have some shows from early this century but haven't got around to playing them I have so many live shows to still hear. Thanks for more info everyone. I heard people saying his drumming wasn't that great but only the last seven years or so. Now I know why.

Re: Alleged TLOS demos... [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 11 May 2008 09:56 PM CDT

His back was still healthy then...the '70s are a long way from the '00s [pronounced AWTS].
"awts"? I've just always called this decade the 2000s.

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