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| Re: How legit are the lawsuit songwriting credits? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 10 Jun 2008 06:51 AM CDT Murry ran the publishing. |
| Paul Steel Interview [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 10 Jun 2008 06:45 AM CDT Hi there -- On my musician-oriented blog, I just posted an interview I conducted with the fantastic Paul Steel (someone who I originally discovered through Smiley Smile's forums). If you're not familiar with his music, you should be! His "April & I" album is highly recommended for "Smile" fans. Here's a link to the interview: http://www.songsandsonics.com/ Thanks, and hope you like it! |
| Re: Bubble Boy [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 10 Jun 2008 04:49 AM CDT Wouldn't It Be Nice was pretty heavily featured in 50 First Dates, too. Ever see that one? Is that the one with Adam Sandler in it? |
| Re: How legit are the lawsuit songwriting credits? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 10 Jun 2008 04:44 AM CDT I feel that they are legit. Brian said they were himself! Well that aint saying much. As we all know Brian says a lot of bullmerda and as I argued with Mike and it's even moreso with Brian, how much does he REALLY remember? Yet I do feel for Mike here about how Murry and David Leaf tried to write him out of history. No wonder he is defensive of his work. I too feel sorry for Mike and it's probably most likely that Mike did have some hand in all of the songs he sued for, but I still will never be convinced either way just because there is enough evidence for me to feel suspicious about his claims. In regards to Leaf, I feel like he has done more bad than good. But that's just my opinion. I know people say "it was Murry's fault that Mike didn't get credit". Where did that come from? I just don't remember hearing a good reason on why it's Murry's fault? |
| Re: How legit are the lawsuit songwriting credits? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 10 Jun 2008 03:39 AM CDT I feel that they are legit. Brian said they were himself! That said I think every other Mike Love suit was unnecessary (except his divorces of course). Yet I do feel for Mike here about how Murry and David Leaf tried to write him out of history. No wonder he is defensive of his work. |
| Re: How legit are the lawsuit songwriting credits? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 10 Jun 2008 02:50 AM CDT My personal hunch tends to be, maybe Mike wrote some words for California Girls and All Summer Long and what not, but the Today album i've always sort of seen as a really personal Brian Wilson record, and it's hard for me to believe that Mike Love had a hand in all those songs. Also, Brian did in 65 gave Love the songwriting credit on Please Let Me Wonder and Carl on Dance Dance Dance, so why wouldn't Love have gotten credit for other songs he wrote? I don't know if there are any conclusive answers for any of this, but i'm sort of wondering what the prevailing wisdom is. This is obviously a tricky subject that a lot of people have differing views on. Obviously nobody knows the real answer but my guess is that some of the songs he wrote a lot of - one of the more common beliefs is that he wrote most of if not all of California Girls - and some he just contributed a line or two (eg: Wouldn't It Be Nice). I agree that the Today! album does seem a lot like Brian's feelings but it could well be like Pet Sounds and Tony Asher. I mean Tony has said that he and Brian used to get in the right mood (talking about relationships and all of life's problems etc..) before writing and perhaps it is the same with Brian+Mike. Maybe Mike was writing through Brian if you know what I mean? I do find it a little strange that it took Mike so long to sue for co-writing those songs especially after Gary Usher and Roger Christian had died. I know others (such as Sheriff John Stone) have made the point that Mike just wanted to work with Brian still and hence didn't sue until he finally thought "well I'm probably never going to get to work with him now". And that is a fair point but still after 30+ years after some of those songs were written it makes me think just how much Mike really remembers about what he wrote etc.. And the perfect example is Mike claiming he co-wrote Don't Worry Baby in that recent article that was discussed on this board a few days back. Mike didn't even sue for that back in 1992, and okay, sure he is even older now than back then, but even still DWB was credited to "B. Wilson/R. Christian/M. Love" on that NASCAR album. And when Mike comes out and starts suing Brian for all of these other ridiculous reasons (in my opinion, the songwriting lawsuit is the only reasonable reason to sue Brian) it makes me question him even further. I mean what else besides money could have motivated Mike to sue Brian so many times? Also, the lawsuit where the Landy co-writes were thrown out--specifically on the 1988 solo album, ignoring what the credits say, who actually wrote the words to those songs? Was Brian really working alone? In my opinion a lot of those Landy co-writes were written by Landy (the lyrics of course) but after what he did to Brian, I don't think he deserves credit for anything on that album. The same goes for Never Learn Not To Love. Stuff Manson, he doesn't deserve credit for that one either. |
| Re: How legit are the lawsuit songwriting credits? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 10 Jun 2008 02:44 AM CDT Uh-oh. |
| Re: BB Recordings 1962-63 [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 10 Jun 2008 01:43 AM CDT The demo version of Lonely Sea on that tape is supposed to be the same as the finished track from the album but without the backing vocals, which were overdubbed later on at Capitol. And AFAIK, the whole thing was recorded on 3 track, at least the stuff recorded at Captiol's studio. Some of the earlier recordings like 409 and Surfin' Safari have a different recording history. |
| Re: brian and mike writing team [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 10 Jun 2008 01:19 AM CDT Mike doesn't have a credit on Surfer Girl, does he? No, just Brian. |
| BB Recordings 1962-63 [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 10 Jun 2008 01:07 AM CDT I sat down with the first two volumes of the SOT sets, and had an enjoyable listen today. It seems to be a period of time that isn't often discussed by many fans (myself included) who tend to gravitate towards the 1965-1967 period. After listening to this stuff, a few questions came to mind: 1. The 1993 GV boxed set booklet shows a picture of an early tape box... its the "demo" tape that Murray took to Capitol. It features two versions of Surfin' Safari, Judy, Lonely Sea, 409, and Their Hearts Were Full of Spring. I was wondering if The Lonely Sea on this tape is the same version that appeared on the Surfin' USA LP. 2. What was the Surfin' Safari album recorded on... 2 track or 3 track? Sometimes it sounds as if only two channels of sound are being used, |
| How legit are the lawsuit songwriting credits? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 10 Jun 2008 12:41 AM CDT Hi all! I've been looking around for this information and i havn't been able to find much conclusive, so i was just wondering how legitimate people feel like the lawsuit awarded songwriting credits are? My personal hunch tends to be, maybe Mike wrote some words for California Girls and All Summer Long and what not, but the Today album i've always sort of seen as a really personal Brian Wilson record, and it's hard for me to believe that Mike Love had a hand in all those songs. Also, Brian did in 65 gave Love the songwriting credit on Please Let Me Wonder and Carl on Dance Dance Dance, so why wouldn't Love have gotten credit for other songs he wrote? I don't know if there are any conclusive answers for any of this, but i'm sort of wondering what the prevailing wisdom is. Also, the lawsuit where the Landy co-writes were thrown out--specifically on the 1988 solo album, ignoring what the credits say, who actually wrote the words to those songs? Was Brian really working alone? Thanks a bunch! Bj |
| Re: brian and mike writing team [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 11:46 PM CDT Mike doesn't have a credit on Surfer Girl, does he? |
| Re: brian and mike writing team [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 11:25 PM CDT I'm no expert, but I get from the things I've heard and what we've seen Brian do since, that Brian wrote nearly all the music with maybe Mike just giving a few simple suggestions about direction they could go, then Mike writing most of the lyrics with Brian giving a few lines here and there. There's exceptions, like Mike only writing the last 5 or 6 words in Wouldn't It Be Nice and wanting a songwriting credit, etc, or Brian writing all of Surfer Girl, etc. |
| brian and mike writing team [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 11:20 PM CDT I was wondering how is the writing partnership between Brian and Mike since they wrote most of the beach boys songs like john and paul from the beatles. How much input did Mike have etc. |
| Re: Carl's vocal on AJ track [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 10:32 PM CDT What did Al have to say about a possible Beach Boys reunion? I was not able to listen on Saturday. Mostly just that he'd be interested in it, and that he suggested it for the Pet Sounds 40th but Mike nixed it. And he apologized to fans for all the lawsuits and whatnot. |
| Re: Idiotic Question [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 09:19 PM CDT There probably isn't much proof one way or another but the memo that supposedly describes SMiLE covers in two Capitol production center warehouses probably means smile front liners [slicks] and back liners glued to cardboard jackets just by the fact that they are in a Capitol production warehouse. According to Gene Voris [from the Capitol memos] and Richard Roth [fromer exec at Queens Litho and assistant to Barry Cohen of the Capitol memos] the process at that time was: Art for front and back liners produced by Capitol and front liner art delivered to litho printers; Bertco and Queens in SMiLE's case. Back liner art [with the tracklist] shipped to a jacket fabricators/assemblers to be printed in black on white by the assemblers; Bertco and an unknown fabricator used by Queens. Litho companies printed color front liners and the back liners were printed by album jacket fabricator/assemblers and both were assembled to cardboard jackets and shipped as a completed item to Capitol. As I understand it, this was done as a single process to produce a single item; the booklet was another single process to produce a single item. I don't think it is likely that only front liners were produced and then shipped to Capitol. Don't have any proof, haven't seen the documentation with my own eyes, except Mike's witness: "Capitol finished the sleeve in April already. I don't know how many sleeves they can throw out now just because the lineup of songs and some songs have changed completely." |
| SMiLE-A Zen Interpretation? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 09:02 PM CDT I came across this website which claims that SMiLE was originally conceived as a Zen (koan) riddle based on Brian's LSD experiences....or something along those lines. Some of it's pretty "out there" reading, but it's also kind of entertaining. I'm always up for any SMiLE related discussion. For anyone who has seen this site, what do you think of the author's interpretation? http://pages.cthome.net/tobelman/ |
| (20) 2008 Topps #397 BRIAN WILSON ["brian wilson"] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 08:00 PM CDT |
| Re: Bubble Boy [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 07:54 PM CDT Wouldn't It Be Nice was pretty heavily featured in 50 First Dates, too. Ever see that one? |
| Re: How much can BW be expected to sell? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 07:40 PM CDT Does anyone know what Capital's expectations are? Would reaching the top 50 and selling 100K be sufficient? I just wonder what they realistically think will happen. I have no doubts TLOS will be as big as BWPS BWPS had something like 37 years of advance publicity: I doubt TLOS will chart anything like as high or sell anything like as much. As Pvt. Gripweed said, it's most likely gonna shift 15-20,000 in it's first week and go on to be a steady seller like BWPS Contrary to common belief, BWPS is not a steady seller: some 3½ years after release and it's still not sold 500,000 in the US. The predictions of it going gold by Xmas 2004 were way out. The vast bulk of the sales were in the first month. |
| Re: Who would you like to see write a book? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 07:37 PM CDT Joe Chemay. I was working with Pink Floyd and they told me that the Beach Boys were going to singing backup on a few songs...a few years later Bruce gave me a call and told me the Beach Boys needed someone to play bass on an epic disco masterpiece!Sorry for derailing the thread here, but wasn't the disco version of "Here Comes The Night" recorded and released at least six months before Pink Floyd got Bruce Johnston in to sing backups on THE WALL? I mean Pink Floyd didn't ask the Beach Boys to sing on an earlier album, did they? Whatever, I was just joking. |
| A Tribute To Brian Wilson - Box O' Clox (CD 2004) ["brian wilson"] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 06:24 PM CDT |
| Beach Boys Brian Wilson Carl Wilson 9 framed posters ["brian wilson"] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 08:54 AM CDT |
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