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| Posted: 13 Aug 2008 06:58 AM CDT Nah, silly idea. BWPS has nada to do with the '66-'67 sessions. There obviously is no way to construct an album that wasn't finished. If there is ever to be a SMiLE box of some sort, I'd say forget the 'whole album' thing. The only way that a box set would sell big numbers is if the compilers were able to get stuff that we haven't heard before. Bruce's Heroes and Villains acetate, Al's Do You Dig Worms acetate, and whatever Durrie Parks or anyone else has. We've all heard the boots, and if there was a way to get some of that stuff sounding clearer (like Child or Old Master Painter), that would be very cool, too. |
| Re: Best Beach Boys / BW album NOT by the BB / BW [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 06:29 AM CDT I hate the Explorer's Club. All of their songs are just ripoffs of specific Beach Boys songs. I hope Mike Love sues them. There are some good songs on the LP, but is it just me, or is this LP absolutely covered in auto-tune? The chorus of "Do You Love Me" is like listening to a robot singing. Horrible. My vote goes to Foskett's "Thru' My Window" too. "Fish" is a total classic. |
| Re: Brian's mental history [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 06:23 AM CDT Cite me a case. Years ago when I was in training we used massive doses of Haldol. You can't really "overdose" on it. In some cases you can develop Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome - usually you die if you get this disorder. It is idiopathic and not dose dependant or dose related. Tardive causes strange tremors, movements, vocalizations, etc. - this is more common and fairly obvious when you see it. I still use a fair amount of Haldol in patients with terminal delirium/psychosis and for nausea. Some of the modern atypical antipsychotics have been linked to strokes in th elderly. They are generally well tolerated and safe in younger patients. On the other hand, massive doses of street drugs like cocaine and even alcohol have been known to cause brain damage, ie "organic brain syndrome". Obviously I don't know anything about Brian Wilson's medical history. |
| Samurai Warriors [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 05:19 AM CDT Just listened to an interview with Alan Jardine circa 1966 as he was listening to Pet Sounds on a small turntable for the first time. The interviewer was describing some of the photos on the back cover an Al mentioned that the group had visited a Samurai movie studio and did a film sequence there and says that Capitol liked it so much that they used most of it on the back of the album. Now, I'm intrigued by the terms "movie studio" and "film sequence" so my question is this. Was the group involved in a "motion" film sequence or am I reading too much into it and was it rather just a photo shoot? Is there in existence in a dusty vault a film reel of the boys messin' about, Samurai style? Cheers. |
| Re: The Mark Linett Thread [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 04:12 AM CDT Hello Mark, We are having a discussion about how fragmentary Smile songs such as Worms might be mixed for presentation on a hypothetical "Smile Box-set". My question is: Do you think it would be possible, with your expertise, to mix the existing 66/67 sessions into a seamless facsimile of BWPS? I'm not sure if you've heard any of the boots that do this (there is a Purple Chick one doing the rounds), but they tend to have awkward spots where the original sessions just don't quite fit the new sequence properly - the transition from Song For Children to Child for example, or the transition from Windchimes into Fire. Given that you have created very seamless mixes of fragmentary Smile songs for the GV Box, and as you worked on BWPS, I thought you might be the best person to answer this question! Many thanks in advance for any opinions you might have on this. |
| Re: Best Beach Boys / BW album NOT by the BB / BW [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 03:57 AM CDT I can't be the only one who thinks this, but if the rest of the BBs had supported Brian in making Smile (and weirder stuff beyond), I bet by 1968, Friends would have sounded a lot more like Animal Collective's 'Sung Tongs' album. Who Could Win a Rabbit is like a modern Heroes & Villains (yes, i know it's not on Friends...). Instead of 'I've been in this town so long....' we get 'lonely bread and butter hustle, you've been doing it for a while...' Very VDParksian to my ears. Right on - Sung Tongs, and Person Pitch are probably the closest thing we have to new albums that capture the spirit of wacked out, unapologetic Smile-era Brian. I'd take the AC over Explorer's Club any day. Never thought of the lyrics to rabbit in that context though - interesting observation, Loaf. |
| Re: Original Rolling Stone reviews [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 03:53 AM CDT I'd love to see their review of the 1988 Brian Wilson album again. As I recall, it got four stars and "this is what pop music has been missing for years"- something like that. Generally I find Rolling Stone's reviews snarky and pompous, but when I agree with them (of course) all (or most) is momentarily forgiven. It's still on the site. I discovered it recently and was pleasantly surprised that it was so positive. |
| Posted: 13 Aug 2008 03:04 AM CDT If it's a boxset we can Mike everyone happy. A bunch of discs of the 66/67 sessions, a disc of what Smile would sound like if it were completed in 1967, a disc of BWPS sessions, BWPS, BWPS live, a modern BBPS with Mike, Bruce, and Al on it, and then a live BBPS (with Mike's Good Vibrations lyrics), and throw in a "reunited Beach Boys perform their greatest hits" disc. I'd buy it in a second, no matter how much it cost. But then again, I'd buy a CD of Mike and Bruce singing the Milli Vanilli songbook. Haha that would be the all encompassing Smilebox. You left out the Durrie Parks acetates though, and Mike and Al's for that matter! Seriously though I think this thread raises an interesting question (for me anyway). I think most people agree that the most honest presentation of the Smile sessions (for a hypothetical 'Smile Box' release) would be in their pure fragmented state leaving incomplete songs such as Worms in fragments. I think it's more likely that the compilers of a sessions release would try to mix the incomplete songs into more playable versions, similar to the mixes Mark Linnett did for the GV box. These hypothetical mixes could either be done as: 1. The GV box ones i.e. trying to give an impression of what Brian was aiming to do in 66/67 ( i.e. GV Box versions of Worms, Vegetables), or as 2. Playable medleys of miscellaneous sections (GV Box: Heroes Sections) or 3. These mixes could use BWPS as a template. For example instead of Heroes Sections that incorporates Gee, Prelude to fade, we'd have the same sections of Heroes mixed to replicate the BWPS version of H&V. So my question is: Which 'Smile Box' would you prefer? A pure fragmented sessions release, one that includes GV box style mixes that attempt to guess at what Brian was aiming for in 67, one that has BWPS style mixes of the original sessions, or maybe a mixture of GV box and BWPS style mixes? My point is whether you like BWPS or not, I think it has to be considered now if non-vintage, non BW mixes are being created for a Sessions release. Personally, if it were possible, I'd love to hear the sessions mixed into a replica of the BWPS album, done as seamlessly as Linnett's GV Box mixes, but sadly (I think, I may be wrong), going on the boots I've heard, this just isn't possible. Maybe a mixture of BWPS style mixes and GV Box style ones would be best. A seamless BWPS style mix of H&V would be possible I think and would supercede Heroes Sections as a way of placing sections such as Gee and Prelude to Fade in a playable sequence, after all the BWPS H&V is a legitimate BW/VDP composition so why not do it this way! |
| Re: Original Rolling Stone reviews [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 02:55 AM CDT They would put a transvestite with a number 1 album on the cover , if he was big at the moment. Fixed for truth. And...  |
| A Tribute To Brian Wilson (2007, DVD) New Sealed ["brian wilson"] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 02:29 AM CDT |
| Re: Best Beach Boys / BW album NOT by the BB / BW [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 02:28 AM CDT It was wrong, and he got sued. Did he get sued? I was pretty sure that there were threats and so the credit was changed to just "Chuck Berry" but then years later it was changed (rightfully) to "Berry/Wilson". |
| Re: Best Beach Boys / BW album NOT by the BB / BW [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 02:14 AM CDT On the negative side: 'California Project' by Papa Do Run Run... An attempt to recreate the BBoys sound and production... All clinically clean cover versions, sonically stripped of any emotion... Every song a BBoys cover. Yawn. Why bother...? I'm with you there Mr. Ski. That Papa Doo Run Run cover album is just lifeless. I have heard worse but it is just completely boring when you can just listen to the originals which are like 200 times better and have more energy and feeling in them Anyway, I will add The Surfsiders. Come on, everyone has to love these guys  |
| Re: Best Beach Boys / BW album NOT by the BB / BW [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 02:11 AM CDT It was wrong, and he got sued. Did he get sued? I was pretty sure that there were threats and so the credit was changed to just "Chuck Berry" but then years later it was changed (rightfully) to "Berry/Wilson". |
| Re: Original SMiLE Cover? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 01:56 AM CDT I like the one that Big Grin posted... it's more convincing somehow. Also, the colours look nicer in that one, less oversaturated, less headache yellow, and kinda warm and inviting. But the garish colours you often see could be to do with cheap printing and scanning processes by bootleg folks... I wonder what the original colours were going to look like? Perhaps the bright yellow would make sense all printed up all big and nice. NB the American spellchecker is not digging the way I spell 'colours', but I shall stick to my guns. |
| Re: Beach Boys Fan Art from an English Mind.... [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 01:27 AM CDT No it's alright, an eye is a thing you can have. You can have a good eye like you can have a good ear. That was a nice compliment.  I'm never sure whether to mention this, but I think I've already gone and mentioned it in the past on the internet... When Brian saw the ladder one, 'Light the Lamp' or 'Heaven Ladder' as it's more mundanely called... and I mean saw it in real life, holding it in his hands... which was all a little bit much for me.... He was immediately interested in buying it. which I hope means, he liked it. He then realised that it was his face in the moon, and got a little self-conscious abut it. But I hope that his attraction to the painting was something to do with the fact that it was, in a sense, made for him.  |
| San Francisco Giants Brian Wilson Signed OLB Baseball ["brian wilson"] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 12:21 AM CDT |
| Re: Original SMiLE Cover? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 12:05 AM CDT I'd love to see the actual memoes but my understanding is they are described as "covers" for Smile and Smiley Smile. The slick litho color prints for the front of the album cover were called "liners" by the Production department according to Gene Voris of Capitol's Production department who is referenced on the Smile memos in LLVS. If there is documentation that shows "covers" is not how the items were described or that covers doesn't mean covers but means color litho prints in those particular memoes, then that would be different. |
| Re: 'A World Of Peace Must Come' - it does! In September [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Aug 2008 12:04 AM CDT Ah thanks, I see now. I may just download the versions of the title track with singing, Lonely Man, Be Still, Walk Along with Love, and maybe Leaves of Grass. That's five of six dollars instead of 15. |
| Re: Original SMiLE Cover? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Aug 2008 11:55 PM CDT That's gotta be from a boot. And I like "Good Vibrations Good Vibrations Good Vibrations". It's ridiculous, but that's why I like it. |
| Re: Best Beach Boys / BW album NOT by the BB / BW [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Aug 2008 11:54 PM CDT Or, perhaps it was wrong for Brian to claim sole writer credit for a song that was "Sweet Little 16" by Chuck Berry with different lyrics. It was wrong, and he got sued. |
| Re: Best Beach Boys / BW album NOT by the BB / BW [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Aug 2008 11:36 PM CDT On the positive side: The "Malibooz Rule" Lp from the early 80s... Like the BBoys with slightly more of an edge. Tracks of particular note being: '308' ("she's real great my 3-0-8..."), and for alot of fun (although not too BBoys-like), 'Honey Dew (We Canteloupe)', where the name of the game appears to be to include as many names of fruit and vegetables as possible throughout the lyrics of the song! Dean Torrence makes a guest appearence on 'Sweet Surfin' Music' which is a classic. I'd add to this 'The Best Of Ronnie & The Daytonas' CD on Sundazed. Get past all the surf and 'rod stuff (as good as it is) and tracks like 'Sandy' and 'When Stars Shine Bright' are a great listen in a more mature kind of way... On the negative side: 'California Project' by Papa Do Run Run... An attempt to recreate the BBoys sound and production... All clinically clean cover versions, sonically stripped of any emotion... Every song a BBoys cover. Yawn. Why bother...? Several albums produced by Gary Usher after The BBoys had hit. (Heard one, you've heard them all... Well, almost...) Plus any one of a number of Mike Love remakes, (excepting maybe 'Salute To Nascar' which I listen to on a semi-regular basis...) |
| Re: Best Beach Boys / BW album NOT by the BB / BW [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Aug 2008 11:28 PM CDT Well, perhaps it's wrong for Brian to charge money for his Phil Spector rip-offs. Or for Jan Berry to charge for his Brian Wilson rip offs. But perhaps the best example -- Or, perhaps it was wrong for Brian to claim sole writer credit for a song that was "Sweet Little 16" by Chuck Berry with different lyrics. Rip-offs have a noble and notable place in the BB/BW canon. And let's see how Brian feels about the Explorers: Quote "Brian Wilson called me a few weeks ago," Brewer says. "He said how much he loves our group. ... If the guy who I'm faithfully ripping off likes what I do, I don't care what other people say." |
| Re: 'A World Of Peace Must Come' - it does! In September [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Aug 2008 11:20 PM CDT on Amazon you can listen to short clips of the songs Where? I don't see any. |
| Re: Original SMiLE Cover? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Aug 2008 11:10 PM CDT  I like this one; maybe it comes from some boots, I don't know!? but I like the idea to see these songs titles on the cover |
| Re: Best Beach Boys / BW album NOT by the BB / BW [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Aug 2008 11:00 PM CDT There's a difference between making a song that sounds like the Beach Boys and making a song that sounds like "It's OK". And are they charging people for this? Making money of their ripoffs? That's just wrong. |
| Re: Best Beach Boys / BW album NOT by the BB / BW [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Aug 2008 10:38 PM CDT I bet if EP's bass player posted here more often than he does on Ian's board a lot of you would be changing your tune. |
| Re: Forever She'll Be My Surfer Girl video on Amazon [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Aug 2008 10:31 PM CDT How do we know BW didn't ask Asher? They were on good terms in the late 90s, at least. Asher doesn' strike me as the type to keep stuff like that around, either. |
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