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Re: Beach Boys songs - the same? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 06:51 AM CDT

My aunt's mentioned that the Beach Boys all sound the same, but I think when someone says that they just don't care for the music.

Re: Paley Sessions, your opinions... [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 06:40 AM CDT

I think the quality and speeds are all that are really different.

Re: 'A World Of Peace Must Come' - it does! In September [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 06:23 AM CDT

Quote from: brianc on August 12, 2008, 06:58:01 PM

Just emailed the company and it looks like there will be vinyl!

Awesome news.

I heard the album at Steve Kalinich's house a few years back and loved it. After he played the CD, Steve pulled out an original vinyl pressing that was made in the early '70s. It wasn't an acetate. It had a label and all the songs typed out on it. Looked more like a promo copy to my eyes. But I could be wrong. He didn't have the set-up to play it, and probably wouldn't have wanted to, considering it may have been the only copy and all. But having this album on vinyl is gonna be awesome.

It is cool, that company does a lot of records, of course every request helps so more emails to them won't hurt.

Re: Surf Music : Most detrimental/criminal events [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 06:22 AM CDT

"The Beach Boys hit the charts at the same time that Dick Dale's "Let's Go Trippin'," the Belairs' "Mr. Moto" and the Markets' "Surfer's Stomp" all hit the KFWB charts. The four singles rose and fell during the same four weeks in the latter part of 1961. It's a common misnomer that vocals were not a part of surf music."

Would it be fair to say that perhaps we can use the dates of record releases and chart positions to provide evidence of 'the birth of surf', but in doing so isn't there a tendency to blur who was actually there at the actual conception? Couldn't this music have been played in a live setting by certain artists for months prior to any vinyl being pressed...?

"Surf instrumental drumming was very much influenced by jazz, and the sax players in those combos often wore sunglasses and sported gotees. Laurindo Almeida might be the real first surf guitarist, as he brought much of the exotic flair of the guitar to the beach and to surf audiences. "

"That being said, I DO think "Moon Dawg" (1959) by the Gamblers and "Underwater" (1960) by the Frogmen were proto-surf instrumentals, and joined the jazz/R&B vibe with the hard-rockin' instrumental vibe of Link Wray and Duane Eddy."

Brian, do you have any opinion on whether certain mannerisms of instrumental surf music actually distilled down from country or rockabilly...

I'm thinking along the lines of people like Joe Maphis and/or Larry Collins... 'Surf' style pickin' does crop up on their records. Without going through the record collection, one example which immediately comes to mind would be Collins' "Whistle Bait" (Why didn't The Trashmen cover this?!!)

""Let's Go Trippin'" and "Mr. Moto" were more rock instrumentals, albeit quite "wet" sounding. But they were not titled anything having to do with surf. The aquiesence of them into the surf pantheon was by virtue of their time and place."

Agreed, although I always thought that these two records sounded quite 'dry', given as (from what I've read) neither feature a reverberation unit, the device often cited as a major characteristic of the recorded surf music genre and a contributing factor to the 'wet sound'.

Re: Jan Berry's accident... [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 05:54 AM CDT

Wasn't Jan initially reported as being dead?

Re: Wild Honey [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 05:17 AM CDT

I'd go with the consensus here - some great tracks on Wild Honey, classics, but just not quite the album it could have been. We can talk about adding "Can't Wait Too Long" but for me the best place for that is on "Smiley Smile"

Fingers pointed at production and delivery, title track especially should've been slowed down and mellowed out. There's a puppyish tone to the r'n'b which some people would like, but in its context though it was a bit of a stylistic dead-end between Smiley and Friends.

Highlights for me are Here Comes The Night, Let The Wind Blow, Country Air.

A Thing or Two sits on the line between the contemplative tracks which I like and the white soul, which I'm less keen on generally. Oh it's good, but not great.

Re: Lost Concert dvd [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 04:59 AM CDT

That's her, sitting next to Fred Vail! You can tell when Brian is catching glimpses of her during the concert too. Cheesy

Lost Concert dvd [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 04:49 AM CDT

hey there,

just wondering if anyone noticed Marilyn Rovell (don't know if she and Brian were married when this concert took place) sitting in the audience alongside what looks like her cousin Ginger? i think the concert took place some time in 1964. Apparently Lesley Gore also headlined that same concert. Each artist had a 15 minute or so set.
at one point it looks as though Marilyn is 'instructing' Brian to smile. it's a pretty awesome bit of history.
anyway, have a look out if you haven't already spotted her!

Re: Paley Sessions, your opinions... [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 04:09 AM CDT

Getting back to the actual music...

I have one Paley Sessions bootleg, this has the majority of associated tracks of which Proud Mary and Soul Searchin' are additionally presented also as alternate takes (ie. the CD has 2 versions of each.) There is also a demo for Saturday Morning In The City alongside the regular Paley Sessions version but however, apart from these 3 tracks the CD only has one version of each of the other songs.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered a download containing all/most of the Paley tracks in 'multiple' alternate versions! (Desert Drive, In My Moondreams, Chain Reaction Of Love - or Chain Reaction Of Mystery as the title is actually given)- are all there...

But having briefly sampled some (not all) of the audio delights, (My Mary Ann, Slightly American Music amongst them), to my ears at least these so described alternate versions sound exactly the same...!

So my question is, do multiple alternate takes exist, doing the rounds on the collector's circuit? Or is not being a musician personally in such cases a major disadvantage given as any variation seems to be extremely minor...?

Re: If Kurt Cobain Covered Caroline No... [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 04:01 AM CDT

Sums up everything that's wrong about people playing the guitar.

Re: If Kurt Cobain Covered Caroline No... [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 03:30 AM CDT

A) its not kurt cobain
b) if it was, i would want to throw a flat iron at his face

this is terrible, and the fact that you'd even put a dead man's name on a wonderful song being portrayed by some dumb ass kid who can't even carry a tune makes me want to hurt somebody.

Re: Jan Berry's accident... [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 02:50 AM CDT

Okay, I just saw this thread for the first time . . .

Brian was working on Pet Sounds (in various capacities) when Jan had his accident . . .

"Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder)" on April 3, 1966 -- Jan's 25th birthday.

"Wouln't It Be Nice" on April 11, 1966 -- one day before Jan's accident.

"God Only Knows" on April 11, 1966 -- one day before Jan's accident.

"I Just Wasn't Made for These Times" on April 13, 1966 -- one day after Jan's accident.

And it's not surprising that Brian has few memories of hearing about Jan's accident. This was the beginning of Brian's descent into the abyss . . .

And funny enough . . . Jan (now brain damaged) and Brian (soon to be so, certifiably) . . . partook of illicit subtances together in the early '70s. I have documentation on this!

But make no mistake . . . Brian and Jan's friendship and relationship in the early to mid-'60s is illuminated far beyond their songwriting credits. Certain stories are not myths.

I ask all Brain Wilson fans to listen to track number 28 of our new Jan Berry / Jan & Dean Tribute Album (Amazon.com) . . .

This audio montage gives you an aural glimpse of Jan and Brian working together in the studio.

Mark M.

If Kurt Cobain Covered Caroline No... [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 02:26 AM CDT

I'm not even going to comment. Just watch, and absorb this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55UZBtEJw_w

Re: Horrible Songs By Great Artists [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 01:31 AM CDT

Listening to the Rhino remaster of Yes' Tormato I'm left wondering how the hell the bonus tracks Countryside and You Can Be Saved got shelved from the original album yet Circus of Heaven and Arriving UFO made it on.

Re: The Alan Boyd Thread [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 01:01 AM CDT

Quote from: Alan Boyd on February 08, 2006, 04:34:22 PM

Here ya go:

TIL I DIE:
1 - Rythm King
2 - Lo vox
3 - bass
4 - RMI
5 - Organ
6 - Organ
7 - Gtr/drm
8 - Vox (different lyrics)
9 - Hi vox/vibes
10 - vibes
11 - bkg vox
12 - bkg vox
13 - more vox
14 - ore vox
15 - org/vox
16 - org/vox

Looks like this one had some dubdowns on the way to the final 16 track master.

I haven't really been following this thread, so forgive me if this has been answered. Mr. Boyd, I was wondering if you could be talked into telling us some of those different lyrics?

Re: Question about the Endless Harmony DVD [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 12:51 AM CDT

Quote from: Alan Boyd on August 13, 2008, 11:44:08 AM

That Santa Barbara footage is actually a home video from Bruce's collection - shot by his wife, Harriet!

I was wonder if it was a home movie. It seems like an odd angle for a pro shot film. It actually looks like it was filmed on the stage. While we're on the subject of the Endless Harmony documentary, I have another question. Right after the Santa Barbara clip, there is a brief shot of Brian at the Long Beach show from 1981. During the making of "ED", did the members of the group view the footage of that Long Beach show? I'm curios to know what their reactions might be, several years after the fact.

Re: The *official* Brian/BB picture thread [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 12:36 AM CDT

Yes, I'm not sure the mutton chops are in my top ten Wilsonian hair decisions.

Quote from: Wild_Honey-In_Stereo on March 10, 2008, 06:07:32 PM

The best Beach Boys cover ever? Huh

I'm sorry, I had to reply to this... two of my major drawing subjects have been the Beach Boys and professional wrestlers, so I could not help myself. It's so gloriously WTF! It is ironic that even though Dennis was the one who's body actually looked a little bit like this, he's inexplicably hiding behind roidy Carl in a show of uncharacteristic shyness.

And as I've posted... is it OK to post pictures of us with Brian? I have been told that this is quite a 'rare' facial expression on Brian, if you were looking at it with a collectable bubblegum card mentality. Also, pardon my cleavage in this picture, I was slightly bothered that it was so on display. Very cute of Darian and Brian, me doing horse face.

Re: Original SMiLE Cover? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 14 Aug 2008 12:03 AM CDT

Here's the original SMiLE cover!

I always thought "Dumb Angel" was a great title for the album, but not Capitol and even Van Dyke;
in my opinion, it was a really good way to give a sense to the big musical comedy Brian had in his head in the very
begining; his musical vision for the project was really spiritual and also humoristic, so Dumb Angel is a good combination;