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| Re: The REAL Real Beach Boy [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Aug 2008 06:46 AM CDT Hi there Mike - I notice that your initial post is dated April 1. That's a clue man, a real clue. Apart from that: I have nothing but respect for you. You wrote that immense catalogue. You rightfully got those millions back. You invented the internet (before Al Gore tried to steal that honour from you by re-branding it as the 'Super Information Highway' - it was a stroke of genius of you to call moving around on the web: 'surfing'. Why didn't you drag that environ-mentalist into court, by the way? It's you, and only you, who's deserving of that Nobel Prize money, man!). You gave the Stones a run for their money. Jagger still is wetting his bed every night after your speech, and Richards falls out of tiny palm trees when he merely thinks of your words. Bruce Springsteen merdas himself on a regular basis, esp. whenever 'Kokomo' is on the radio. In short: you're the man, Mike, you, and no one else. Keep on touring, and in 2012 I want to see you as the GOP Presidential Nominee, when you will be setting out to repair the damage that Obama no doubt's gonna inflict on us all. We-Love-You!!! |
| Re: Brian's mental history [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Aug 2008 06:45 AM CDT I've seen Carnie speak out of the side of her mouth. If Audree did it as well later on in life, it's not hard to know why. They were both subconsciously mimicking Brian. People do that all the time, I find myself doing some of the quirky things my friends do sometimes when I'm near them. For instance if I have a friend who's really quiet, I'm probably going to speak a littler quieter when I'm around them. If I have a friend who uses a lot of arm movements when they talk I might be more prone to do that a little bit when I'm around them. It's completely natural. I know a little girl who's mother has a severe limp because she had her hip replaced. She's pretty young, about 35 or so, and this little 6 or 7 year old girl walks with the same kind of limp that her mother does. There's nothing wrong with her, she's just used to seeing her mother walk that way so it's natural for her to imitate it. As for the audiologist who's never heard of somebody that's unilaterally deaf speaking out of the side of their mouth, how does he explain Brian's case then? Doesn't seem that hard to understand to me. If I was 5 or whatever or born deaf on one side I can see where I'd develop that quirk, even if it doesn't make you hear better, you might TRY to speak that way to make it more audible and perhaps it's just a habit that stuck, even if the audiologist says it's useless to speak that way. Finally, like always, we have to understand that Brian has mental illnesses. Ask your audiologist friend if somebody who's mentally ill might try speaking out of the side of their mouth to better understand their voice. |
| Re: Brian's Wild Solo-Artist Ride [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Aug 2008 06:27 AM CDT It's interesting to note that Brian himself was suspect of keeping it in for Smile's completion--perhaps wary that it would come off like a reenactment. Sounds to me like you're just inventing this motive.... Oh, absolutely.... ...It's far more likely that, at that particular moment, he just didn't like the way the drill looked or sounded....  |
| Re: Photo of Brian holding record in pool [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Aug 2008 05:44 AM CDT This one?  I have that one as a cover shot for a SMiLE bleg, on the Chapter One label. In fact, this CD is simply a copy 'taken' from the first Japanese 'true' SMiLE bleg from 1989, you know, the one that for the very first time released the long sessions of Good Vibrations and Heroes And Villains to the world. Oh, those were the high points in my collector's life... at a fair I could grab both the 1985 SMiLE LP on Brother and that Japanese CD. Needless to say I 'shuffled' back to the train home, constantly eyeing that plastic bag lest one ignorant idiot would steal it from under my nose, inspecting the contents, seeing 'nothing of interest' in there (no money or drugs, that is) and throwing it in the river... the horror... the horror...  |
| Re: Original SMiLE Cover? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Aug 2008 05:36 AM CDT Uh, yes. Anway, which artwork made it onto the 466'000 covers printed in January 1967? |
| Re: Semi-OT: VDP's 2008 Work w/ Inara George [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Aug 2008 05:01 AM CDT Inara George does a great version of Little Feat's 'Trouble' on the new LF 'duets' album 'Join the Band' - which also happens to be one of the best sounding CDs I've bought in ages. Richie Hayward's drum work continues to astonish. Lovely version of 'Fat Man in the Bathtub'. Way off topic - except I discovered Little Feat at the start of 1973 - exactly the time I was listening to 'Holland', and the two kind of fitted... (suppose Brian had written songs with Lowell George...) |
| Horrible Songs By Great Artists [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Aug 2008 04:50 AM CDT Perhaps this isn't entirely new... but I'll give it a try. Name a terrifyingly bad song by an acknowledged great musician (or band). I'll start with two: Paul McCartney: 'Mull Of Kintyre' Stevie Wonder: 'I Just Called To Say I Love You' (is it any wonder that we're talking karaoke standards here?). Your turn... |
| Re: Brian's Wild Solo-Artist Ride [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Aug 2008 04:07 AM CDT It's interesting to note that Brian himself was suspect of keeping it in for Smile's completion--perhaps wary that it would come off like a reenactment. Sounds to me like you're just inventing this motive. I don't think Brian has anywhere near the preoccupation with "authenticity" which his fans do. It's far more likely that, at that particular moment, he just didn't like the way the drill looked or sounded. All part of him being a changeable creature -- just like changing his mind back the other way is as well. And if someone told him "nah, it's nice the way it was"? That's a good thing. Arguably it was the start of his self-doubt and second-guessing, his unsureness in what he'd created, which killed Smile in the first place. He took out the power drills, he took out the Van Dyke, next thing you know he's decided he'd rather do "Wonderful" as a stoned giggle-fest with an organ rather than a beautiful harpsichord music-box full of harmonies. That may have been authentically what Brian felt like doing at that moment, but that doesn't make it the best he was capable of. I'm glad he's willing to be reassured by the people he works with. Cheers, Jon Blum Pretty good call, Jon. At a fatal point during the construction of SMiLE, Brian lost his self-confidence. I always thought that the intake of psychoactive drugs, combined with the horrifying abuse that he underwent in his childhood, caused this loss. Drugs are bad as they are already, but they can bring flashbacks to people with a history of traumatic life events. In other words: LSD potentially can make you 4 years of age again, with all the trouble that can come with that. |
| Re: Brian's mental history [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Aug 2008 03:02 AM CDT I thought the most logical explanation for the side-mouth thing was Brian's unilateral deafness? It would be a natural thing to aim your speech toward the side of your head you could hear out of. |
| Re: Brian's mental history [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Aug 2008 02:45 AM CDT In the brief interview on the Ready Steady Go! performance on youtube, Brian is talking out of the side of his mouth. He was young then and it looks okay on his fleshy, youthful face. As an older man it looks kind of funny, but I think it has been there all along. I had a friend who was also a brilliant artist(though not famous) and he went crazy and was eventually diagnosed with schizophrenia, which later was changed to bipolar disorder. He saw visions of hell and became convinced that if he didn't mutilate himself, he would go there. He ended up cutting off his arms. I o nly knew him on medication and he was very kind, lucid, a bit odd but cool. When I imagine Brian, I think of my friend. Anyway, he was convinced that hard drugs(specifically ecstasy taken in the late seventies, early eighties when it was still very new) was what kicked his mental problems into full gear. I think most people can do drugs like acid and so on and come out of it more or less normal, but I think it's possible that for the unlucky few like Brian or my friend they trigger a psychotic reaction that just just might have stayed dormant otherwise. |
| Re: 'A World Of Peace Must Come' - it does! In September [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Aug 2008 02:42 AM CDT Just emailed the company and it looks like there will be vinyl!  |
| Re: Brian's mental history [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Aug 2008 02:16 AM CDT I just saw something on TV not to long ago, that kind of fits in this topic. In 1995, there was a documentary that aired on TV called "The History Of Rock&Roll". I can't remember the exact month it aired, but I do remember that the program was dedicated to Jerry Garcia, who had just died. The program was a series of hour long "episodes" that lasted for about a week, I think. In one episode, Brian is interviewed and he slurrs his speech so badly that you can hardly understand what he's even saying. |
| (20) 2008 Upper Deck #641 BRIAN WILSON Giants ["brian wilson"] Posted: 08 Aug 2008 12:37 AM CDT |
| Re: Surf Music : Most detrimental/criminal events [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 11:24 PM CDT Well it's not bad, BUT it'd be alot better sans ensemble... The track was recorded live and would be better presented as such IMO. I had hoped that we'd get the undubed version as a bonus track on the Sundazed CD but no... When Dick signed on with Capitol I just feel that his career/musical vision was possibly compromised being steered (in some small part) away from what he did best, (ie. instrumentals, and rock and roll with a touch of R&B). Sure the Capitol albums gave us some great tracks but on the other hand also some considerably average material.... (Glory Wave, Surfin et el.) I just think that once the BBoys hit, the corporate suits making the decisions decided that surf music was a vocal phenomenon and likewise Dick had to fit into that mould despite the fact that (let's be honest) his voice certainly was not his main strength... [Then again, I wonder about the instrumental 'Dick Dale Stomp' which despite what we would think considering the title, features no characteristic guitar playing...?] Plus, when Usher got involved, just like he did with The Surfaris, at times the music lost some individuality and became one of a sea of countless other records all with similar arrangements and sound. (Probably because they were all, generally, played by the same set of musicians...?) Usher stamped his mark all over them BUT, (at least in terms of already pre-established groups), many times this was to the detriment of the original group 'sound', a sound which had made the group successful in the initial term... |
| Re: Brian's mental history [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 11:20 PM CDT Actually, I think Audree talked out of the side of her mouth too. At least when she was older. I recall from one of the biographies where she's interviewed that she spoke out of the side of her mouth a bit. Maybe its on that side of the family and Carl and Dennis take after Murry in that regard. |
| Re: Brian's Wild Solo-Artist Ride [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 10:56 PM CDT It's interesting to note that Brian himself was suspect of keeping it in for Smile's completion--perhaps wary that it would come off like a reenactment. Sounds to me like you're just inventing this motive. I don't think Brian has anywhere near the preoccupation with "authenticity" which his fans do. It's far more likely that, at that particular moment, he just didn't like the way the drill looked or sounded. All part of him being a changeable creature -- just like changing his mind back the other way is as well. And if someone told him "nah, it's nice the way it was"? That's a good thing. Arguably it was the start of his self-doubt and second-guessing, his unsureness in what he'd created, which killed Smile in the first place. He took out the power drills, he took out the Van Dyke, next thing you know he's decided he'd rather do "Wonderful" as a stoned giggle-fest with an organ rather than a beautiful harpsichord music-box full of harmonies. That may have been authentically what Brian felt like doing at that moment, but that doesn't make it the best he was capable of. I'm glad he's willing to be reassured by the people he works with. Cheers, Jon Blum |
| 08 Bowman Signs Of The Future Brian Wilson Autograph RC ["brian wilson"] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 10:30 PM CDT |
| Re: Brian Vocally On L.A. [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 10:26 PM CDT Hey gsmile... I thought that too, was ready to swear it was Brian on the "Baby Blue" 2nd verse...Alan Boyd proved me wrong by playing me a mix with the vocal isolated. It's Carl. |
| Re: Best Summation of SMILE. [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 09:55 PM CDT I listen to pop music from the tin pan alley period, especially after having a few. Songs by Gershwin, Porter, Kern, Warren, and Arlen really have the care & attention that the listeners of musical compositions deserve. Geez guys, my last batch of SMiLE posts prompted no responses. But that isn't going to stop this SMiLER. Only the truth shut me up. You like to separate yourselves from the CNN crowd only to totally buy the truth as presented by the mass media. What radicals. Okay, back to the follow-up to PET SOUNDS. If SMiLE was to be just as much a jump above PET SOUNDS as that record was above SUMMER DAYS....... PET SOUNDS was lyrically a single melody. It was very direct. The backing tracks had melody placed upon melody placed upon melody. It was multi-layered in its complexity as far as the backing instrumental & vocal parts were concerned. One way that Brian could trump this musical triumph (PET SOUNDS) was to add a similar depth to his lyrical component. This was the one aspect of his art that could be expanded upon. "Vegetables" could become "Vega" and "Tables" thus adding layers of meaning to his lyrical voice. Cannabis could be "Cabin Essence." Such an approach lyrically would infuse layers of meaning atop his multi-layered musical backgrounds. In this way SMiLE would be yet another step forward adding a complexity to the lyrical that was previously applied to the musical. Plus you have to also add in all of my usual "far-out" theories. This all adds up to make SMiLE the artistic jump that Brian claimed it was back in the day. |
| Re: Best Summation of SMILE. [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 09:03 PM CDT The things we talk about and debate now will be talked about and debated a hundred years hence.... Yes. It's hard......impossible to know...and fun to imagine... 100years from today exactly how thing will be sorted out. There will ALWAYS be this Beach Boys/Beatles comparison....questions of what SMiLE "could have been"... and the debate on whether BWPS is definitive or not. As for what will remain controversial.... 170 years ago... slavery was controversial.... so too was abolishing it ....But now, slavery.... easily more controversial. so.....those things might get sorted out too. For now... we have the luxury of scoffing at our ancestor's ignorance.... Love You will ALWAYS be controversial and brilliant. ...so too we have the luxury of choosing which side we'll be on for today's controversy... a stance few will remember... so enjoy! |
| Re: Brian Vocally On L.A. [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 08:49 PM CDT I've always thought I heard Brian in the middle part of "Baby Blue." Right after the "I dream of you..." part at 1:44 it really sounds like him quoting his vocal scat from the tag of "Forever." The vocal sounds slightly ragged enough, but the timbre of the vocals really sounds right to me. Sounds similar to his vocals on MIU. |
| Re: Brian's Wild Solo-Artist Ride [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 08:11 PM CDT By my logic Aegir, BWPS is....Brian Wilson presenting us with Smile. The drills are too. But,.................................if he wanted it to be more. He could have left the drills off. If the sheep had been left off, you'd be wondering where the sheep went. They'd be telling you: the sheep belonged in the heat of 1966. I like the sheep in 1966. I don't mind them in 2004. They remind me of 1966. Summer in Paradise reminds me of what Summer in Paradise would have sounding like without sheep. |
| Re: The Official BB You Tube Thread [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 08:01 PM CDT He improvises a little vocal "riff" that is a fairly high note, for him...and he nails it.  Yeah, he sounds relaxed there. It reminds me of a comment I heard years ago, maybe around "Roxy" period, where someone said that Brian is pretty much a soul singer now. |
| Re: Some items of historical interest [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 06:26 PM CDT What's it say above the signature? looks like "Thanks Ron". the funny thing is that i didn't even look at the back cover until i was walking away after i bought it. needless to say, i was pretty stunned. i'm sure murry wouldn't have a problem with the bowing down. |
| Re: Credits [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 06:22 PM CDT Great stuff! I'm really looking forward to the Party! stuff too. You're gonna go back and do the pre-Today albums too though, right? All in good time... |
| Re: Brian Vocally On L.A. [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 06:21 PM CDT heh heh, it's easy to forget about that one. Al's also on "Shortenin' Bread". But that might be it. |
| New song: "Anywhere Anymore" [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 07 Aug 2008 05:33 PM CDT I wrote this on and off the past few weeks and recorded the track this weekend and vocals today. It's called "Anywhere Anymore." http://www.sendspace.com/file/j1y0rl |
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