Tuesday, September 16, 2008

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Message Man... [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 16 Sep 2008 07:02 AM CDT

Is Message Man a partial rework of Marketplace? Or is it just me?

Re: Is anyone here going to the South Bend Indiana concert? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 16 Sep 2008 06:56 AM CDT

EDIT: never mind.

Re: New ESQ issue on Dennis received today.....fantastic cd with it. [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 16 Sep 2008 06:54 AM CDT

Just listening to the CD now. Some very good stuff on there. Too early to judge overall but I'm very happy!

ESQ is a superb product. I'm not always a fan of the single-theme issues like this (I love variety) but I guess there is a reason and a good one for this issue being the way it is. Enlightening reading.

What with the many CDs ESQ now gives away, I wonder if Mike and Al's new albums could get a fan distribution in this way? No sign of either getting an official release otherwise   Undecided Embarrassed Cry Huh

April 2004's ESQ CD, also a Dennis tribute, included Al's acoustic California (Saga) which was stunning. The best thing I've heard Al do and one of the best tracks I've heard on any giveaway CD, ever.

Other fan mags could learn a lot from ESQ.

Re: Banned from the BBB board ? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 16 Sep 2008 06:01 AM CDT

Apparently I am falsely being accused of being a "cyber stalker". WTF??? I have never "stalked" anyone. Nor do I have any intention of chasing after anyone. The person who made this accusation even had suggested not once but TWICE I move all the way across the country to a town I don't even know which is only 20 minutes away from her she said, to help her mix her debut album for her. She trusted me THAT much. That was the biggest compliment I have ever gotten!! I have the actual emails to prove it. I was VERY scared at that moment since my wife of 20 years had just left me with no warning or reason a few days earlier. Also I don't have enough faith in my abilities that I feel I would have been worthy of the task. Imagine if I had taken her offer? This whole thing would never have happened. Since she would actually know me and know I am not like that. If I ever met her, fine. If I never do, fine too. But the ONLY way I would ever want to meet her is if it was on HER terms and HER request. I know she has had a tough time, and has even had an actual stalker in the past. So I would never want to lost her trust in me. I have met many celebrities in the 80's. So I am used to being around them. Heck, I've met Mike Love, Carl Wilson, Denny Wilson, and Bruce Johnston then too. All that being around celebrities taught me is respect and to cherish the few moments of their valuable time that they give to me. Not abuse it.

She and I were friends fro about a year. Never any sign of distrust by her ever. Then suddenly her attitude to me changed radically. She has cut me off from all of her profiles on websites she and I had them on. And now even took the bold step of cutting what little world I have left down a bit more by getting me banned from a message board I have been on before I even knew her. Isn't this like the Salem Witch Trials? Being wrongly accused. And persecuted. I have NEVER and will NEVER show her disrespect. However by her, or someone on her behalf's actions, they are the ones actually throwing stones. Anyone who actually knows me, knows I am NOT the "stalker type". I am an internal person, I reach out, and if I get burned, I withdraw. Not lash out at the person. She will not even communicate with me at all now to clarify where this whole mis-perception has come from. My only attempt at "TRYING" to clarify it all is through someone I don't know who is a friend of hers. Who knows how he is interpreting it to her. Or how he is telling me what she might be saying. SUCKS to have to go through a "middle man".

Since July 2006, I have lost my closest sister in a car crash, been disowned by my closest brother, lost a job due to favoritism of a coworker and the supervisor, had my wife of 20 years leave me while I was at work one night with no explanation, my only socail circle (her family) too, got my family to stop communicating with me. Fought like HECK with the finance company to refinance the home in just my name as requested in my ex's and my separation agreement. And now I have to work at the local walmart around shallow and uncaring people. Then the only friends I have that connects with me musically and has SO many of the same tastes in music it's uncanny- cuts me off suddenly and without explanation also, and even goes so far as to have a bit more of my world ripped from me by getting me banned on the BBB board because she "thinks" I am stalking her. Nice existence!! All of this sober mind you. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. Good thing I am not suicidal. I have more than enough reasons here. 

Re: Southern California - who wrote it? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 16 Sep 2008 03:36 AM CDT

No matter who wrote it (but I believe it was Brian) the "oh-oh-oh it's magical"-part just knocks me out. There's some harmony that really makes me feel great.
But I'd think Brian wouldn't have used SC instead of L&M as the closing song in his concerts, if he didn't write it

Yeah I love that bit too!

I totally agree with what Amy B above says. My personal approach if there's doubt about how involved Brian was is just to ask myself - does it move me in the same way the best of his songs do? MAD and SC do, and as such I'm pretty convinced they're primarily BW compositions. As someone else posted above, in the Record Collector interview Scott says that they needed another slow emotional piece for the project and Brian had a piece that had been kicking around for a while which was SC. i think most of the melody was there, but it was probably developed by both Brian and Scott in a similar way to MAD.

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Re: The Top 10s Topic [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 16 Sep 2008 01:52 AM CDT

A list of songs would be waaaaaay too hard.  I'd be here for hours arranging and then rearranging my list.

Here's my top ten albums as of this minute.  I will note that TLOS belongs in there somewhere for sure, but I'm not ranking it because it's still so new.  I should also note that if I posted a list tomorrow the top 2 albums would be the same but the rest may be totally different depending on my mood.  I haven't been feeling Sunflower lately, for example, though I do think it's a great album.

1. Brian Wilson Presents Smile
2. Pet Sounds
3. Today
4. Friends
5. Smiley Smile
6. Love You
7. Surfer Girl
8. Pacific Ocean Blue
9. Wild Honey
10. Party

Re: The Wilson Brothers picture thread [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 16 Sep 2008 01:21 AM CDT

Great stuff. The 1977 Love release party photos are great even if Brian looks a bit frightened in them. Go back ten years and he sure looked in good spirits on those beach photos especially the ones with Audree. To be fair he looks totally with it in the one with the Help Me Rhonda shirt on from 76 or 77.

Re: Shows and sessions for 1983 now up on 10452 [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 16 Sep 2008 01:04 AM CDT

I didn't see the Seattle show on there from May. The video of it goes around trading circles. Or so I hear.... Razz

Last 2 News Stories [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 16 Sep 2008 12:57 AM CDT

Is it just me or do these stories make you feel a little bad for Brian? Not trying to be dramatic, just felt a little weird reading his ignorance about  POB and the semi distance he is keeping from LOS. On the former I know he likes the album, I have heard him talk lucidly about it. On the later, I don't know if he's trying to be humble or is nervous or what. He certainly should take pride in his wonderful performance. What do you all make of his comments?

Re: Smiley Smile was a joke. [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 16 Sep 2008 12:56 AM CDT

Here's something that makes me a bit undecided on the "joke vs. really gave it an honest try" argument: according to history (or legend, as it may be), Brian had a difficult time getting the Boys on board with the SMiLE material (especially Mike, who wanted to keep the old hit formula).  So, what made them so cooperative on Smiley?  I mean, they do seem to be enjoying themselves on that one; what changed their minds?

If I had to guess, I'd say the hash and the change of location to Brian's home studio.  They didn't feel like "outsiders" anymore, as they probably often did during Smile.  Brian's entourage was mostly gone, and it was just like the old days...a bunch of guys just sitting around making some music. 

Just like the old days, you say - Smiley Smile has a vibe that makes me think of a family gathering around ... the family organ and just make some music for fun. That's like the *real* old days, the childhood days. That's what Brian *may* have had in mind. Another thing he *may* have had in mind is this: On SMiLE he tried hard and did not achieve the results he desired. On Smiley, as a change, he decided for a more loose approach,  ZEn-like, not really trying, not-doing. No more Mr. control freak.

And as far as I'm concerned, he did succeed at least partially. Vegetables with the dumb-dumb-dumb-bass is much funnier than the odd-rhythmed Vega-Tables, and the eerie Wind Chimes is far more interesting to listen to than the comparatively flat-arranged marimba version. In fact, the 2 Wind Chimes are two different songs sharing the same lyrics. Look for the chord changes! I also like the mood of Fall Breaks, Little Pad and With Me Tonight.

I'm not that happy with Wonderful and Getting Hungry, the latter yearning for an R'n'B arrangement in the chorus. And Good Vibrations of course just doesn't belong on that record. The HV chorus is as Smiley as can be, but I don't like it. If someone does not like Smiley Smile as a whole, that's ok, there's thousands of other albums you can like.

I recommend listening to Smiley on a silent night at Christmas, that fits the mood perfectly.

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Posted: 16 Sep 2008 12:52 AM CDT

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Re: The Top 10s Topic [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 16 Sep 2008 12:49 AM CDT

Songs: (in any order)

1. River Song
2. Time to Get Alone
3.  Break Away
4. I went to Sleep
5. Caroline No
6. Sail on Sailor
7. All This is That
8. Til I Die
9. Busy Doin' Nothin'
10. I can Hear Music

Honorable Mentions:Everybody wants to live Just Once and Passing By

Albums (not counting BWPS because  it brings up painful memories because it reminds me of my wife's first miscarriage, which is a long story that I refuse to go into)
1. Sunflower
2. Holland
3. Friends
4.Pet Sounds
5. 20/20 (yeah...this high)
6. Smiley Smile
7 Wild Honey
8 TLOS (yeah...this high. Makes me feel good that Brian still can do great music, plus IMHO it's his best vocals in 30 years at least)
9. Adult Child boots
10. All Summer Long


1. Friends
2. L.A. Light Album
3. In Concert
4. Orange Crate Art
5. Pacific Ocean Blue
6. Carl & The Passions - So Tough
7. 20/20
8. Today!
9. Sunflower
10. Brian Wilson Presents Smile
11. Love You
12. Like A Brother
13. Summer In Paradise
14. Surfer Girl
15. Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!!)
16. Surf's Up
17. Endless Harmony
18. Live In London
19. Wild Honey
20. M.I.U. Album
21. Pet Sounds
22. Brian Wilson (1988)
23. Surfin' USA
24. Smiley Smile
25. All Summer Long

Eric, you grade Pet Sounds that low?

Re: The Top 10s Topic [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 16 Sep 2008 12:17 AM CDT

Ranking songs is too hard. Break Away is high up there

LP's (for the hell of it I will rank them all)

Pet Sounds
Wild Honey
All Summer Long
Summer Days
Shut Down 2
Surf's Up
Surfin USA
In Concert
Surfer Girl
Little Deuce Coupe
Brian Wilson
Surfin Safari
Xmas (Brian)
15 Ones
LA Light (would be a lot higher but HCTN almost ruins it)
Almost Summer
I Just Wasn't
Carl Wilson
Pet Sounds Live
Love You
Still Crusin
Young Blood
Live in Vegas
Like A Brother
Looking Back
Rock and Roll City
Disco Celebration

Re: Friends [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 11:35 PM CDT

I generally agree with you about the lyrics, sockittome - at least with the lyrics Mike wrote.  I think Brian showed he's actually a pretty capable lyric writer when he does it right - Busy Doin' Nothin' has a fine lyric, for example.  But Ana Lee The Healer, while I like the song a lot and think the harmonies are exquisite, the lyrics are awful - the "goes a gal who got her fame by goin' round and healin' folks" line makes me cringe every time.

But in terms of a the sound, I think it sounds a lot better than WH quality and mix-wise and don't have a major problem with the production overall.

Re: Pink Floyd Founding Member Rick Wright Dead at 65 [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 11:06 PM CDT

I didn't even know he was sick, personally.

He was a great musician. Imagining the classic Pink Floyd sound without him is impossible, esp. on the first few post-Syd albums. God, I loved his organ sound!  I would've loved a Wright/D.Wilson collaboration for sure. Now THAT would've been a great piece of work. Actually, not just talking about writing, but vocally he sounded like a British Dennis.

Sad as hell.

Re: Southern California - who wrote it? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 10:58 PM CDT

I agree about Scott's voice. It's not as good as Brian Wilson--no character. All the Beach Boys had character.

I don't believe for one second that Brian did not write those songs with Scott and that it's all a scam. A lot of band arrangements may have been done without him, but I bet he still added his bit and did most of the vocal arrangements.

I don't know if I believe he's quite the veggie that his myth makes him.

Agreed. Scott certainly did his fair share, but Brian's part in it is extremely obvious.

Re: Rick Wright dies at 65 in Britain [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 10:50 PM CDT

Major bummer!   My favorite Floyder.

Re: Compression and Clipping on TLOS - is it that bad? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 10:29 PM CDT

I love this post.

Glad someone does.  :-)  Thanks!

Jon Blum

Re: Southern California - who wrote it? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 09:33 PM CDT

ha! I've just woken up and that part was playing in my brain! Yeah, it's hooky, alright.

Re: TLOS: any comments from Mike, Al or Bruce yet? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 09:03 PM CDT

Bruce does like to talk about I Write The Songs. If you remember the WOTS podcast where he commented on Disney Girls, he happened to slide in thta i Erite The Songs sold 25 million...I still can't figure that out.

Re: Is anyone going to the Chicago show? Just listed on BW.com [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 08:44 PM CDT

Come on Jeff, make the drive, tho it IS for a Sunday night!!!!!

Re: Is anyone going to the Chicago show? Just listed on BW.com [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 08:38 PM CDT

Since it doesn't look like they'll be playing 'sconsin, I'm going to try to make it to the Chicago show.  No promises yet.

Re: Is anyone here going to the South Bend Indiana concert? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 08:24 PM CDT

You guys want to join me, Greg Shady, and Dave from Indy for a meet up before the SB show?Huh Around 5:30 probably at the Bistro at the venue. Let us know. Smokin

Is anyone going to the Chicago show? Just listed on BW.com [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 08:22 PM CDT

At the Chicago Theater on Nov. 16th. Meet up?Huh? Smokin

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