Monday, September 29, 2008

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Re: Be My Baby [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Sep 2008 05:03 AM CDT

I seem to recall a quote by brian that the later reissues of of spector's stuff "had the guts taken out of it"......i.e.......it was not how he remembered......something was lost............

I'm not 100% certain, but I think Brian discusses that in an interview with Paul Williams which can be found in the How Deep Is The Ocean? book

Re: Be My Baby [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Sep 2008 04:38 AM CDT

unless you just plain don't care for the song......then the best amp and turntable in the world might not help....

Re: Be My Baby [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 29 Sep 2008 04:37 AM CDT

I can't blame you for not being as impressed as you think you should be. ...Not until you have heard it on a good copy of the orginal 45 on a proper turntable and a good amp(preferably an old tube amp) and  good speakers . I imagine this is close to how Brian was used to hearing it , at least back when he fell in love with it....., im sure bri had a very nice hi fi, and even if he didnt,  when he heard  it on the radio back then it would've been in the superior original mix(if listened to closely you can hear an inferior remix is used on the back to mono and best of ronettes cd's from abcko) it also would've been played  on an expensive broadcast quality turntable.....I seem to recall a quote by brian that the later reissues of of spector's stuff "had the guts taken out of it"......i.e.......it was not how he remembered......something was lost............I just dont think spector gives a dookie about these reissues........although the import cd from abcko a few years ago was a slight improvement......

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Re: Dylan Question-opinion for all Zimmerman-heads... [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 09:16 PM CDT

Blonde on Blonde and Highway 61 are my least favorite Dylan albums.

If those are your least favorites, I'm curious to know what are your favorites....

Re: Is anyone going to the Chicago show? Just listed on BW.com [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 09:13 PM CDT

I just assumed that since we were all fans, to one degree or another, that it would be fun to get together even to just say hello before the show, either in the lobby, or in front of the theater, to put a face on the name's we've been chatting with online. No harm, no foul meant. I don't want to become soulmates with these people, for goodness sake. Some are too overboard in the fan department for my liking, if you know what I mean!!

I'm going to the South Bend show, and we've planned a small get together before the show to have a bite to eat and say hello. We've emailed each other and that's it. I'm sure it will be a fun time. Some of the folks on the blue board do seem a bit overzealous in their regard for Brian ie that've known him since he was 12 (in their minds) and are very protective of him. Those kind of people I really don't want anything to do with.

I bought a ticket for the Chicago show for my sister in law/best friend so we're just going to go and have a good time. I'm anxious to see how she reacts to his new music as she does like the old stuff the BB did.

I don't know what to do to get these people to know me, and what better way than to say hi in person. Screw them if they don't like me. I do and that's all that matters to me!

Enjoy the show, I know I will.

Re: Dylan Question-opinion for all Zimmerman-heads... [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 08:34 PM CDT

Blonde on Blonde and Highway 61 are my least favorite Dylan albums.

Re: Brian comments on possibilities of a BB reunion [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 08:26 PM CDT

Here's my post for my thoughts of a reunion from January this year.

You want a reunion? Have a lock-in at Al's Big Sur studio with a camera crew for a warts-and-all no holds barred, clear the air show-down. In between plenty of memories of the good times and bad. Lots of instruments close at hand for whatever happens. At 5pm its down to the beach around the campfire with guitars, families, beer and hotdogs. Film it all.
July 4th concert at the Hollywood Bowl. One night only. Lots of hits with some Big Sur highlights/ lowlights on the big screen behind in between songs. A few guest singers to ease onstage tension.

All realeased as DVD for Christmas market. One disc of concert. The other Big Sur get-together. Profits to same charity as concert.

Aint gonna happen. Don't care either way.



Still stand by it but now see it of interest to a true fan only. As Sheriff said, Bruce plus the others must have some songs they could contribute. Album? don't know but to see them putting new songs together for a one-off show would be great. About the only good thing from the Star and Stripes DVD was seeing the band practising new arrangements, recording them then mixing.

I could go for more of that.

Sounds like the Beatles' Get Back project.  I guess if we get an Abbey Road further down the line from a reformed Beach Boys it might be worth suffering through the "live" project.

Re: Brian comments on possibilities of a BB reunion [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 08:22 PM CDT

I'd like to see Mike do some more work without Brian. Let's see if he can write lyrics for someone else's music.

Mike made some good contributions working with others:

Okay, I don't know some of those and how good they are. Any in the last 20 years?

Re: Brian comments on possibilities of a BB reunion [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 08:19 PM CDT

I think the only interest would be in some form of a reality TV/ album tie-in deal and I don't want that.

Think Spinal Tap meets Gene Simmons Family Jewels meets The Osbournes meets Metillica's Some Kind of Monster doco! Think a washed up band that does not realise it yet everyone else does.
A reality show mixing band members, their wifes and managers. Throw in VD Parks to help with lyrics, Jack Riley to manage and Stan Love to assist. In other words a train-wreck but great tv.

The Beach Boys displayed to the new audience some think is out there somewhere just waiting. Please no.


Here's my post for my thoughts of a reunion from January this year.

You want a reunion? Have a lock-in at Al's Big Sur studio with a camera crew for a warts-and-all no holds barred, clear the air show-down. In between plenty of memories of the good times and bad. Lots of instruments close at hand for whatever happens. At 5pm its down to the beach around the campfire with guitars, families, beer and hotdogs. Film it all.
July 4th concert at the Hollywood Bowl. One night only. Lots of hits with some Big Sur highlights/ lowlights on the big screen behind in between songs. A few guest singers to ease onstage tension.

All realeased as DVD for Christmas market. One disc of concert. The other Big Sur get-together. Profits to same charity as concert.

Aint gonna happen. Don't care either way.



Still stand by it but now see it of interest to a true fan only. As Sheriff said, Bruce plus the others must have some songs they could contribute. Album? don't know but to see them putting new songs together for a one-off show would be great. About the only good thing from the Star and Stripes DVD was seeing the band practising new arrangements, recording them then mixing.

I could go for more of that.

Re: Brian comments on possibilities of a BB reunion [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 07:50 PM CDT

I'd like to see Mike do some more work without Brian. Let's see if he can write lyrics for someone else's music.

Mike made some good contributions working with others:

"Don't Go Near The Water" w/ Al
"All This Is That" w/ Al & Carl
"We Got Love" w/ Blondie & Ricky
"Only With You" w/ Dennis
"Pacific Ocean Blue" w/ Dennis
"Getcha Back" w/ Terry Melcher
"Rock And Roll To The Rescue" w/ Terry Melcher
"Kokomo" w/ John Philips and Terry Melcher
"Strange Things Happen" w/ Terry Melcher
"Lahaina Aloha" w/ Terry Melcher 

Re: Brian comments on possibilities of a BB reunion [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 07:27 PM CDT


I know they're old, I know they've failed in the late 70's, 80's and 90's, and I know they haven't done anything "great" in a long, long time. And, I know I appear naive. But I still have faith, that given one last chance, and hopefully learning from their past mistakes, that they could rise to the occasion and pull off something worthwhile. But, I can't stress enough how important the co-producer would be in the process.

I'd like to see Mike do some more work without Brian. Let's see if he can write lyrics for someone else's music. He hasn't written anything decent since the 70s, so let him prove he can do it. Plus, he's always talking about reuniting with Brian, as if he's the only person he can work with. I know Mike wants to work with Brian because of their history together, but I don't have much faith that it would be particularly good. For the record, I'm against a reunion for this reason and because I just feel like it wouldn't be pleasant for Brian, at least. If Mike really wants Brian (and management) to come around to the idea, though, he's going to have to step up and be gracious. Stop saying passive aggressive things about Brian and Dennis. Start listening to Brian's solo stuff and if you like it, speak up. He's got to turn on the charm. Who would want to work with someone who looks like a jerk half the time? I wouldn't.

Re: TLOS: any comments from Mike, Al or Bruce yet? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 07:00 PM CDT

give a listen to more than just BNL's hits and you'll understand...or most likely not.
Are you calling me too stupid to understand?  Wink  It's ok if so, I can take it. Anyway, I've heard quite a bit of BNL--too much for my taste, and more than just the hits. Friends of mine like them, and I don't. What's worse, after nearly every show of my own music I've ever done, somebody (soundman, someone from the crowd, whatever) ALWAYS says "hey, cool ... kind of a Barenaked Ladies thing." So what was once only dislike is now vicious wound-salting.

Kind of like Parker and Stone being told that South Park is just as good as Family Guy?

Re: Brian comments on possibilities of a BB reunion [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 06:58 PM CDT

Can't have the Beach Boys without Mike.

Unfortunately.

Allow me to play the Devil's Advocate.


I'm no Mike Lover, by any stretch. But...

what if someone like Jan Berry took the Mike role in the Beach Boys? I would have to think having someone other than a family member in that role as co-conspirator would have meant less stress and anguish for brian. Hell, (and this is where I expect to have my ass jumped) Jan was far more talented than Mike. Jan  was just as conservative as Mike (see "The Universal Coward") , but Jan, I think would have greatly appreciated what someone like VDP would have brought to the table.

Re: Brian comments on possibilities of a BB reunion [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 06:55 PM CDT

Hey Sheriff, what do you mean by Bruce's best song of the last 16 years? Huh

Well, I'm basing the success of a future Beach Boys' album on the contributions of all the members. I would like to see Mike, Al, David, and Bruce each contribute one song - the rest being Brian's and one or two covers. I figured over the last 16 years (since the release of SIP), Bruce has written at least a couple of decent songs. Maybe even one great one. I want THAT song on the album!

I know they're old, I know they've failed in the late 70's, 80's and 90's, and I know they haven't done anything "great" in a long, long time. And, I know I appear naive. But I still have faith, that given one last chance, and hopefully learning from their past mistakes, that they could rise to the occasion and pull off something worthwhile. But, I can't stress enough how important the co-producer would be in the process.

Re: Brian comments on possibilities of a BB reunion [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 06:52 PM CDT

I really don't want a BBs reunion. It'll be the 70s all over again with Brian sitting in the back corner of the stage and being trot out front like a circus bear. Do we really want more of this?  Skip straight to 4:54. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIgyeJQ6peA&feature=related
Guess what, the handlers back then said the same that they say today:
"Hey, would you rather have Brian sitting on his ass all day long staring at the wall?"
"But the new album is great, what more could you ask for?"

Some things never change. Brian's actually comfortable not having to make decisions or acting like an adult. What bugs him are those who believe he's still got an ace up his sleeve that will be presented to the world if only he could do what he really wants etc. He doesn't want do do anything. Let's leave him alone and listen to his records.

Re: Brian comments on possibilities of a BB reunion [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 05:10 PM CDT

Nothing will ever happen unless the tough managment agrees.

Hey Sheriff, what do you mean by Bruce's best song of the last 16 years? Huh

Re: Brian comments on possibilities of a BB reunion [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 04:52 PM CDT

Can't have the Beach Boys without Mike.

Unfortunately.

Re: Hushabye [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 04:14 PM CDT


Um, that's basically everything I wanted to say. You have the range - the key to even better vocals is control. And as Luther said, it takes practice and time. But if you love singing, it won't be too hard!

...and you made me want to do the same thing (take the track+backing vocals and add mine). I might do it and post it if I'm satisfied with the result!

There were some parts where it was really hard for me to control my vocals, and I kept running out of air, so breath control was a challenge too.  There were some parts that I had to redo two or three times.

I used the version from the 1990 LDC/ASL twofer.  The lead vocals are all on one side, and the background vocals are on the other.  My friend just eliminated the left speaker and reproduced the sound from the right speaker on the left.

Re: Brian comments on possibilities of a BB reunion [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 04:12 PM CDT

Can't have the Beach Boys without Mike.

Re: Hushabye [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 04:11 PM CDT

Out of curiosity, what sort of studio does your friend have?
Thanks for the encouragement...my friend just has a home studio in his apartment.  We wait until late at night when the outside noise is limited.  He has a really good mic, a small soundboard and a Mac.

Re: Hushabye [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 03:12 PM CDT

Congrats on giving such a tough vocal a shot, first of all, not to mention being willing to share it. I think you don't give yourself enough vocal credit: you clearly have the range to hit even the high notes. With some more control, I think you could improve on your performance. But that's the kind of thing that takes confidence, which takes practice and time. Stick to it. Singing, playing, recording: it's all great stuff, and I'm glad you're into it. Out of curiosity, what sort of studio does your friend have?

Um, that's basically everything I wanted to say. You have the range - the key to even better vocals is control. And as Luther said, it takes practice and time. But if you love singing, it won't be too hard!

...and you made me want to do the same thing (take the track+backing vocals and add mine). I might do it and post it if I'm satisfied with the result!

Re: Brian comments on possibilities of a BB reunion [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 28 Sep 2008 02:24 PM CDT

If all this happened....

1. Mike suddenly believes that a BBs setlist of the early 70s would be more commercial and hip in 2008
2. Brian's backing band is used
3. Brian writes most of the music
4. Brian produces and arranges with a little help from his band
5. Blondie, Ricky, Al and Dave Marks all join and contribute songs
6. Bruce quits (just kidding/who cares?)

....the Beach Boys would be red hot!!

1. Mike & Bruce's setlists compared to Brian's have been very similar over the last few years
2. This would be a problem, a major problem
3. Isn't that what everybody (including Mike) wants?
4. Is workable, but a mutually agreeable co-producer is necessary
5. Blondie and Ricky aren't necessary, Al & David are essential
6. Yes, Bruce is also essential; you need his best song from the last 16 years

I wish I was an executive at a record company. I would make it my number one priority to pull this off. And then, when it all blows up, I'll be out on the streets! police

If there ever was a reunion, I'd rather have Mike not be involved. Have Carl's corpse take Mike's spot on stage. LOL  And Blondie and Ricky need to be part of it. And Ed Carter, Bobby Figueroa, Kowalski, Dragon Bros., Munoz, etc.

BRIAN WILSON Rare Promo 45 7" Inch Orange Vinyl ["brian wilson"]

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