Thursday, September 18, 2008

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Re: Brian Wilson on Pacific Ocean Blue [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 06:46 AM CDT

Myabe Brian should've told the reporter to f*ck off.  Maybe he should've told him his brother's a no talent.  Works for Noel Gallagher and Oasis sell by the shedload to all those gullible folk who've never heard Slade.

Re: Brian Wilson on Pacific Ocean Blue [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 06:37 AM CDT

BW: Many years ago? When I was with the Beach Boys, we were pretty fast, we worked pretty quickly. Now we go a little slower and take time, you know. Make sure the pitch is correct and the rhythm is right and everything, you know.

I also find this answer to be untrue. I would think that it would be the other way around! Especially from 65-67, Brian took loads of time to record songs!

I think that's both true and untrue. The whole business of making a record is undoubtedly slower now than it was then. In those days, Brian may have labored over studio sessions with people brought in to perform--no doubt about that. But on the other hand, everything else took a LOT less time. So now while he may not spend as much time actually recording musicians (or himself) performing, there is more planning involved and a ton more time on the back end. And "make sure the pitch is correct and the rhythm is right and everything" could easily mean the manipulation of recordings that is commonly done now as part of production and mixing, but wasn't a part of the process in a pre-digital world. They used to make several albums every year. Now one album a year is seen as virtually breakneck pace by pretty much anyone except Bob Pollard. That reference may be him thinking back to the difference between just having somebody hit "Record" and doing the real work of it all as opposed to how studios work now.
Yeah, and back in the 60s Brian didn't need to digitally alter his pitch -- his voice was perfect!

Re: Has anybody heard, or does anybody have \ [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 06:33 AM CDT

This album is really boring. I have to say I like Italia the best.

And I agree with matt-zeus, The Colonel's Song is much better than anything on Many Moods.

Re: Brian meets Zooey Deschanel [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 06:00 AM CDT

Before I even watch this video. Is it possible that these two can interview each other and not even mention that her father: Caleb Deschanel was the one who filmed the original 'FIRE video' in 1966?

Norman Whitfield R.I.P. [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 05:47 AM CDT

...the legendary Motown Man passed away at age 65. Jotting down his achievements here could in theory overload the Smileysmile-server, so I'll refrain from that. But do post your personal favourites of course.

Mine: 'Daddy Was A Rolling Stone' and 'I Heard It Through The Grapevine' (the latter being honoured by scribe Dave Marsh as the best single ever made, in its interpretation by Marvin Gaye).

May mr. Whitfield rest in peace (OK, OK, a soft wah-wah guitar pattern may be present in the background...).

Re: Has anybody heard, or does anybody have \ [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 04:47 AM CDT

My favourite Murry Wilson song is not on there - 'The Colonels song' a KFC jungle, probably because I like KFC..

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Re: BLUE? vinyl 45 [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 02:55 AM CDT

I'm still waiting, although I did finally get a confirmation (after asking for at about 4 times) that I'm one of the customers that will get the bonus 45. I guess I have to be a bit more patient.

Re: Has anybody heard, or does anybody have \ [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 02:48 AM CDT

It's been said Brian wrote that Italia song with Al too, but I think Murry would have played it up had Brian really written those songs. Besides they sound nothing like his style. The album is pretty boring, if well executed.

Re: Shows and sessions for 1983 now up on 10452 [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 02:45 AM CDT

I wonder if those are the last photos of Dennis period.

Re: Is anyone going to the Chicago show? Just listed on BW.com [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 02:44 AM CDT

I am going too, but the tickets aren't on sale yet. I am just going to try every night until it is. Not sure where I am going to eat first I just know somwhere around there.

Re: Brian Wilson on Pacific Ocean Blue [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 02:42 AM CDT

Yeah Dylan can seem so cool one second and like such a jerk the next. Witness the party scene in Don't Look Back.

Re: Maureen Love's Art Graces Men's Room [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 02:35 AM CDT

Clearly, bro and sis are cut from the same cloth.

I should hope so or the ghost of Milton has some explaining to do.

Re: Has anybody heard, or does anybody have \ [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 02:27 AM CDT

"Heartbreak Lane"

So is that really a Brian composition, and is it any good?

Re: Compression and Clipping on TLOS - is it that bad? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 02:01 AM CDT

But this isn't a boot, it is an official release....and we know the CD SHOULD sould better than it apparently does. We listened to all those unofficial SMiLE recordings because nothing else was available.

It is a disappointment that someone has seen fit to make the recording worse than it could and should have been....the vinyl proves that somewhere exists a relatively uncompressed master...

Re: Poor crowd at TLOS USA Premier [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 01:36 AM CDT



OTHER SINGERS:
Besides, do you really need to hear Brian sing every single word of "Add Some Music"? I'd much rather have different band members take turns, like on the original version. And does Brian need to sing every verse of "Sloop John B" and "I Know There's An Answer"?

I sure as hell do. If Brian wants my dough, he better sing every f##king word.

Re: Poor crowd at TLOS USA Premier [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 01:27 AM CDT

I'm sorry...as great of a vocalist as Jeff is, when I go to a Brian show, I want Brian to be singing lead.

Right, 'cause Brian's got a such a great voice.  Roll Eyes

Re: Poor crowd at TLOS USA Premier [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 12:41 AM CDT

I agree, I have never heard of people demanding a refund because a concert wasn't all that great. I think that's...strange.

Re: Compression and Clipping on TLOS - is it that bad? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 12:27 AM CDT

I believe I have demonstrated that the vinyl is less compressed than the CD, and has a greater dynamic range.

The point, as far as I am concerned, is that the CD is more compressed than it needed to be.

Yeah, that bit's pretty much an objective fact.

The bit where it starts being subjective is where an individual person leaps from "more compressed" to "bad", "hideous", "unlistenable", et cetera.  It's possible to recognize a difference without thinking it's a very significant one, never mind a catastrophic one!

And after nearly forty years in which we saw that the quality of "Smile" shone through in bootlegs despites all sorts of obvious quality defects, from wobbly tape master speeds to low sample rates to hasty unfinished mono work-mixes, you'd think we'd be able to put all this sort of stuff in perspective...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Re: Compression and Clipping on TLOS - is it that bad? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 12:19 AM CDT

So basically this thread has proved that the CD sounds OK to people who think CDs sound OK, that people who can't stand how CDs sound can't stand how this CD sounds, and that the vinyl mix sounds quite a bit better to vinylistas.

Glad that's settled, then.


I believe I have demonstrated that the vinyl is less compressed than the CD, and has a greater dynamic range.

The point, as far as I am concerned, is that the CD is more compressed than it needed to be.

Re: Compression and Clipping on TLOS - is it that bad? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 18 Sep 2008 12:10 AM CDT

No, it's proved that you can take a very capable (if not perfect or the "ultimate") recording medium - the compact disc - and make it sound like crap.

But it doesn't sound like crap.

The fact that you care, passionately -- some might say excessively -- doesn't make your ears and taste any more of a true objective reality than mine.

Cheers,
Jon Blum

Re: Has anybody heard, or does anybody have \ [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 17 Sep 2008 11:49 PM CDT

"Heartbreak Lane"

Re: Is anyone going to the Chicago show? Just listed on BW.com [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 17 Sep 2008 10:52 PM CDT

I'll also be going!  Cheesy  I haven't seen Brian live since 2005 when he was last in Chicago. Plus, I absolutely love TLOS so I can't wait to see and hear it live!  Does anyone know when the tickets might go on sale? The concert doesn't seem to be listed on the Chicago Theatre site or on Ticketmaster yet.

Re: Shows and sessions for 1983 now up on 10452 [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 17 Sep 2008 10:21 PM CDT

There've been conflicting reports about the Sept. 26 & 27 shows, even some doubt as to there actually being a show on the 27th.  Ian, have you found reviews for these gigs?  At this point, all I know for sure is there are photos from the gig on the 26th that show the band playing without Dennis (Mike K and Bobby F both on drums), photos of Dennis drumming with Mike K, photos of Dennis drumming with Bobby F, and photos of Dennis stage-front, singing with Billy H, singing with Carl, and doing the line dance with the others during "Barbara Ann" (he and Mike Love are looking right at each other in that one).  This implies Dennis was absent for the first part of the gig, but joined the show later.  Dennis looks terrible in these shots. 

There's also a tape from one of the nights, and Carl introduces Dennis right before "Warmth Of The Sun", saying "That's our drummer, Dennis Wilson, joining us now". 

The report of them cutting the show short because of Dennis' drunken antics comes from a guy who was at the show...it appeared in an issue of the "Dennymania" fanzine in '84.  I'll dig for it when I get the chance.  I figured Dennis was so rowdy and distruptive that rather than cause a scene in front of the audience by having the roadies or security guards haul him off, Carl decided it would be easier to just shorten the show by a song or two. 
Is there any chance you could post a few of those pictures?

Re: Compression and Clipping on TLOS - is it that bad? [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 17 Sep 2008 10:05 PM CDT

I haven't read this whole thread, but can someone explain to me how good modern vinyl can sound when the original material is recorded digitally?  In some cases, also mastered digitally.  How can it possibly make that much difference?  Especially if you have a low-end turntable or cartridge.  And maybe the rest of your playback setup has modern digital electronics.  I've never bought modern vinyl LP's for that reason, only the older ones that are all-analog. 

Modern vinyl can sound VERY good, in fact it can sound better in many cases than older vinyl.

It all boils down to the care that is put into the process. Careful mastering with very mild or no compression/limiting; proper microphone technique in the studio; top notch mixing consoles; really good monitor equipment - put that together with a really good engineer (like Doug Sax, or Michael Bishop from Telarc) and a desire to make a really good sounding record, not just another loud piece of crap.

Use the best techniques for transferring the recoding to the recording master discs. Or use the "direct-to-disc" technique.

Then press it on to super high quality vinyl (which has been available for almost 30 years - JVC "Super-Vinyl" was available in the late 70s. And don't run so many copies you wear out the stampers.

I don't know if you like any classical music but if you listen to some of the Telarc digitally recorded LPs it'll amaze you. In fact, they pressed a vinyl LP by Papa Doo Run Run called "California Project" - it's all BBs tunes played by PDRR but recorded with the care a classical LP would get from Telarc. It's amazing! See if you can find one in good shape and buy it - you'll be glad you did!

Remember, no mater how bad or good your equipment is at home it can NEVER sound better than the source material.

Re: Shows and sessions for 1983 now up on 10452 [Smiley Smile Message Board]

Posted: 17 Sep 2008 10:03 PM CDT

I've wondered for years what the exact date was of my first Beach Boys show in Saratoga Springs. I now see it was June 19th of '83. I was a few weeks away from my sixth birthday. I remember nothing, except for Bruce singing "Disney Girls". That's a title a kid can pick up on. Is there any more info about the show? I can't remember if Denny or Brian were there. I seem to recall my mother saying the next day that the crazy guy wasn't there, so I doubt Brian was present. Any chance of Denny being there? I would like to think I got to see him in person. I probably didn't. Setlists? Anything?

Was that Saratoga show at SPAC? Just curious since I live just a couple hours away from there.
Unfortunately, there's no setlist info for a Saratoga, NY show in 1983 on Eric's site (http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/set80s.html).


Yes, it was at SPAC.

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