Posted: 01 Oct 2008 06:54 AM CDT
Posted: 01 Oct 2008 06:10 AM CDT
I've no doubt that Melinda helped push him into the direction of SMiLE....but we do know that Brian himself at a party suddenly (to everyone's surprise) started playing H&V...a piece of music he'd refused to discuss with Darian just a few weeks before as "inappropriate music". That story is corroborated by several people including Darian and Scott and I think Brian himself.
Then of course was the all-star tribute thing where Brian and the band played H&V on stage to a standing ovation...Brian has since stated that was when he realised that maybe the world was ready for SMiLE.
Again, I have no doubts that without encouragement and coaxing from Melinda he wouldn't have further touched SMiLE...but I don't think it was just Melinda's idea. It must have been around that time that the Blueboard had those posts from Brian about "I have a master plan for SMiLE" and "doing right by SMiLE" and "that may not mean an album release"....Brian seems to have had an idea to perform SMiLE live in some form or other dating back to that show where he realised H&V was much loved.
As for Brian's keyboard being muted...I don't know but I suspect it might have been in the distant past. At the SMiLE shows he actually played it a little, so it wasn't muted and was hooked up. I think he does like a keyboard there as a security blanket...and hell, if it helps him relax and give live performances then good for Brian and his keyboard.
Posted: 01 Oct 2008 05:25 AM CDT
Posted: 01 Oct 2008 01:45 AM CDT
Thanks for your input, Andrew.
Naturally, I don't expect a lushly produced, polished, typically B.B.-sounding album. I was just
wondering if the concept really gels and the melodies and poetry are relatively compelling. It's
obviously of some inherent interest, if only as a period piece. If, as reported, "Lonely Man" is
(or was at least at the moment that one particular interview was being done) one of Brian's
favorite songs, that alone recommends it.
If it has any of the atmosphere of "Little Bird" and "Be Still" that would be a good thing. I had heard
that some or most of the vocals were done by someone with an off-putting voice. It sounds like the
musical element is almost nonexistent, or at least very secondary to the spoken word poetry.
I think I will make an effort to get it as soon as possible, based on everything that's been said so far.
Posted: 01 Oct 2008 12:58 AM CDT
Imagine the stage setup....Brian sitting at a muted keyboard, Al on a guitar that can hardly be heard, Bruce at a plugged in keyboard that he stands behind and waves to the crowd while in his shorts, and Mike on lead vocals. I guess Dave Marks could take the lead as the only BB on stage contributing to the instrumentation.
What I would love to see would be Al on bass, David on guitar, Brian on keyboards, Mike on sax (ha), and Bruce on keyboards. Two keyboard players and maybe they could fill the sound. Add somone on drums and you have a legitimate band. Sadly it would be a bunch of sidememn doing the work with the "BB" standing around.
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 11:51 PM CDT
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 10:28 PM CDT
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 10:14 PM CDT
you can't deny the dylan. just listen to blood on the tracks.
lyrically he's basically king. he's like t.s. eliot.
but let's see him write a piece of music like "cabinessence"
Agreed...Dylan is probably hands down the best lyricist ever in rock music. That is where his influence was felt. Musically though, someone like Brian wipes the floor with him, easily.
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 10:11 PM CDT
I have come to the sad conclusion years ago that the people around Brian now don't really know him before the fame and before the myth surrounding him. The difference between them and the Beach Boys, is that the BB do know.
They know, but since the early 70's, I don't think they really care. That was about the point where Brian's primary purpose to the rest of the band was to be a cash cow. Brian's current band may be in awe of him, just because he's Brian, but they also show more personal concern for his well being than the remaining Beach Boys have in years (especially true now that Carl and Dennis are gone).
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 07:57 PM CDT
I believe it is a three-album run matched only by Rubber Soul, Revolver and Sgt. Pepper.
I started to think of some other three to rival it, but.....no, why even try. It is interesting how the Big 3 - The Beach Boys, The Beatles, and Bob Dylan all (arguably) peaked in 1965-66, at almost the exact same time! With all due respect to The Beatles' later stuff, of course....
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 07:36 PM CDT
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 07:16 PM CDT
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 07:09 PM CDT
I think Brian's reputation has taken a hit since he became a solo artist. In many people's eyes (except on BB/BW message boards), the creative genius or hit-making songwriter tag has left him. But he will always have that aura about him, that potential to come up with something great. People still want to be around him, in some way be a part of his world. And I'm telling you, all it will take is a simple phone call to anyone - including The Beach Boys - and they will come running. Now, I've already admitted that it will take some negotiating to get to that point. But, if it ever does, there will be a reunion. The ball is in Brian's court.
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 06:38 PM CDT
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Posted: 30 Sep 2008 05:58 PM CDT
i heard brian went away to mexico and murry had spent all the money brian gave him to buy paper plates and defecate on them on glass eyes and recording equipment instead, and when he came back brian was really angry until he heard "the plumber's tune" and admitted murry was on to something. there's also this creepy bootleg of brian bursting in during the "Betty's Waltz" sessions and trying to boss him around.
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 05:52 PM CDT
I'd think that, were Mike, Brian, Bruce and Al onstage in a 'reunion'-format, the ideal set would be:
1st half: a rockandrolling cornucopia of oldies but moldies. Think: Barbara-Ann, think: Help Me Rhonda, think: Good Vibrations.
2nd half: a live performance of the whole of 'Looking Back With Love'. Brian plays a keyboard that is not connected.
A man can dream.
..is brian's keyboard really not connected?
i suspected as much.
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 05:51 PM CDT
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Posted: 30 Sep 2008 04:10 PM CDT
Hell will need to freeze over to have that scenario happen. It really is sad if you think about how easy it can happen, but just a few key people won't let it happen. Too much pride and ego going around. I will go out of my way and say Brian needs The Beach Boys more then The Beach Boys need him. Yes he has become a solo artist and has done great things outside of the band, but that doesn't change the fact that he founded that band. He has known those guys before anyone knew who Brian Wilson was outside Hawthorne, CA. I think what can make it difficult is that the only people that are around Brian see him as, the legend, the solo artist, the genius. Where is anyone in his camp to make him feel grounded? I have come to the sad conclusion years ago that the people around Brian now don't really know him before the fame and before the myth surrounding him. The difference between them and the Beach Boys, is that the BB do know.
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 04:06 PM CDT
Ballad of a Thin Man is why I used to hate Bob Dylan. I thought all his songs sounded like that.
Interesting. It is one of my favorite Dylan songs. Different strokes for different folks!
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 03:51 PM CDT
since brian said that he didn't want to know anything about smile and that it was devil music for so long, and then eventually finished it, i'm not going to take him saying that a beach boys reunion will never happen too seriously.
Exactly. It wasn't until Melinda and Brian's manager (whoever that is) "thought it was a good idea to finish SMiLE" did it come to fruition. If Melinda thought it would be a good idea to do a Beach Boys' reunion, you'd be amazed how quickly it could come about.
Brian: Hello, Al, do you wanna record some stuff for a new Beach Boys' album?
Brian: Hello, Bruce, do you wanna record some stuff for a new Beach Boys' album?
Brian: Hello, Mike, do you wanna record some stuff for a new Beach Boys' album?
Mike: Sure! When do you wanna start? Tommorrow? How about the next day?
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 03:28 PM CDT
If you're expecting anything even vaguely comparable to the kind of thing Brian was producing with The BB, The Honeys or anyone else in 1969, this may well not be the album for you. But, if you're of an open mind and receptive to rough period charm and semi-improvised poetry, then this might ring your bell.
BTW, the promo material would have it that this was all recorded in one evening at Brian's house in 1969. Complete tosh, of course - the first track recorded was "America, I Know You", at Wally Heider's, after which Brian elected to make it more of a home recording project, and did exactly that over the ensuing months. The version of "Leaves Of Grass" included as a bonus track isn't the Carl-produced single, but rather an earlier demo.
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 03:16 PM CDT
I actually think that if everyone was genuinely up for it, then a BB reunion concert or even short tour could work...and could be a great occasion.
As for an album....I really doubt it...unless they released a live album with a small handful of new studio cuts rather than a full length studio album.
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 02:55 PM CDT
Posted: 30 Sep 2008 02:48 PM CDT
I think the loss was subtracted from Beach Boys's royalties.
Was that the previous Black Monday in the USA? I mean, when the BBs stock nosedived and nearly surfaced again amongst the antipodes?
The current crisis is beer money compared to THAT one...
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