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| Re: Brian @ Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC, 7/11/08 [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Jul 2008 03:03 AM CDT Honestly, I was hoping for some of that in 2000. | ||
| Re: \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 13 Jul 2008 02:21 AM CDT 1985..Harry Langdon studios pics for 85 lp..There are at least a hundred more pics no one has ever seen in the archives. Woah, memory jogger ! Bruce drove me to Harry's in '85 to see those pics before standing me lunch and an excellent interview: yup, there's a lot more, but what turned up on the back of the '85 album was the best, in my recollection. | ||
| BRIAN WILSON BEACH BOYS CALIFORNIA FEELING ALBUM ["brian wilson"] Posted: 13 Jul 2008 02:16 AM CDT
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| BRIAN WILSON SLIGHTLY AMERICAN MUSIC ANDY PALEY SESSION ["brian wilson"] Posted: 13 Jul 2008 01:58 AM CDT
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| BRIAN WILSON THE BEACH BOYS RARITIES VOL.3 ["brian wilson"] Posted: 13 Jul 2008 01:00 AM CDT
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| Re: \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 11:44 PM CDT He asked WHERE i had heard that..I told him boots + he laughed + asked for 20.00..LOL..!! That's funny. Mike Love had the same reaction when the Goldmine interviewer said he had Smile boots. That interviewer had guts: he mentioned Smile boots, and told Mike that he liked Sweet Insanity, but it would've been better with group vocals...Also, loved the story of Brian in 1983, I think we'd all like to sing "Just Once in My Life" with Brian... | ||
| Re: brianwilson.com - New TLOS VIdeo [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 11:39 PM CDT [And as I understand it, BW arranged the background harmonies and vocals and then recorded them all in just SEVERAL HOURS in a SINGLE afternoon. Actually, VDP arranged everything and simply told Brian what to sing. This was confirmed by Van Dyke himself on the blueboard a couple of years ago and again on the blueboard by a blueboarder who had recently had a chat with Van Dyke. The thing that has amazing VDP all these years is how quickly Brian was able to learn the parts and then record them, one by one, in a very short period of time. Firstly, as the album took some three years to record, I seriously doubt that Van Dyke called Brian in for just one day: the vocal sessions were doubtless spread over several months. As for who arranged the vocals, in an interview conducted at the time of release it was stated that Brian arranged the majority of the vocals in the studio. I am certain knocking out the vocals in one day is what I read in a VDP interview shortly after the release of OCA. I will post if can find it again. On the "Words & Music" interview disc for OCA, Brian refers to (I paraphrase, obviously) singing standing up, not liking it and asking for a chair. He then says that the next time he came to sing, he asked for his chair. I don't think he meant after the lunch break.  My understanding was that the title track's vocals may have been recorded in one day, but that all of the album's vocals took over two years to record. I recall Brian stating in an interview around the release of OCA that he had never worked harder or longer on doing vocals for an album. You can actually hear Brian's voice change throughout the sessions. The vocals recorded early on have a smoother timbre, but as Brian's return to smoking began affecting his voice more, there's a huskyness that settles in. The same progression can be heard on the Paley material, I believe. Once Brian quits smoking in '96, his vocals gradually return to the smoother timbre he has now (for the most part). That's my theory anyways. Just to get everyone's opinions, what's everyone's favorite vocal on OCA? My personal favorite is "Sail Away." | ||
| Re: Brian @ Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC, 7/11/08 [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 11:23 PM CDT Jeff singing leads? Sweet. | ||
| Re: Lowest point in the BB career? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 11:05 PM CDT Lowest point? I'd have to say when there was one original member left in the group plus one non-original-but-twice-new member and they had the nerve to call themselves "The Beach Boys." I think Mike & Bruce have the right to keep playing as The Beach Boys. It's not like they at one point left the band, started a new one and called it 'The Beach Boys'... They just stayed where they were while the other members left or died one by one. To me they only have the LEGAL right to use that name. They're not THE Beach Boys. For God's sake, when Brian toured in 2006, his band contained more original members than the group using the name "The Beach Boys"! | ||
| GarageBand users?? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 10:59 PM CDT I just got my first Mac shortly after Christmas, and I've become quite a GarageBand fan! I wouldn't call myself an expert by any means (indeed, it was only two or three days ago that I realized that if you want a loop to repeat, you don't have to keep dragging into the track but instead just stretch it!), but I really love it! I'm recording my first "desktop" album with it [God help us all]...right now I'm working on an instrumental tribute to the Chicago Transit Authority that has kind of a "Plumber's Song" feel to it....I'm sure Eck would be proud! | ||
| Brian @ Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC, 7/11/08 [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 10:54 PM CDT This was kind of an usual show. It was billed as "Brian Wilson and friends," there was no official start time announced until the day of the concert (all that was said was "doors open at 7:00"), and it was a charity show to raise money to fight cancer, so the tickets were a bit on the pricey side. The show was promoted as a "greatest hits" show. As for who the "friends" were, nobody involved with the show would reveal much. Someone on the "blue board" claimed to have called the venue and asked and was told Jimmy Webb, Vince Gill, and "a Beatle." ("Ringo?" "No, the other one.") Personally, I was hoping that the "friends" would be Rich Sloan, Robin Hood, Jean Sievers, David Leaf, and Loren Darg or whatever the heck he wants his name to be today. Despite living in New Jersey for eight years and being pretty familiar with many of the performance venues, I'd never heard of the Hammerstein Ballroom, nor had my wife, who lived in Jersey for nearly 35 years! It's basically a huge, empty room near Penn Station. A few box seats. The seating was just chairs. I must say, though, as charmless as the venue is, the sound last night was pretty good. One of the "friends" was Lily Holbrook, of whom I'd never heard until last night. Heh...when the PA announcer said "Please give a warm welcome to Lily Holbrook," my entire section said "WHO?  ?" in unison! (Indeed, talking with fans in line and around us, it was obvious that pretty much everybody was there for Brian.) Can't really say much other than "ho-hum." Nothing exciting. She played for about half an hour with her dime-a-dozen backup band...There was an intermission, followed by Brian and a chopped-down band...regulars were Nick, Jeff, Scott (on drums), and Probyn (bass), with Gary Griffin sitting in on keyboards. It was a fairly short set for Brian -- kind of like in 2001...no intermission in Brian's set.... I gotta tell ya...yeah, I missed the other guys; yeah, it was a short show, but you know what? It was really, really good! The small band was very tight, very well-rehearsed. I say this every time I see Brian in concert, but....he sounded better than ever! -- not bad, considering he's getting over a nasty flu. He was also very animated, extremly UN-shy. (Someone commented that he might have been TOO unshy! then again, nothing will beat the Brian I saw in Chicago on October 2, 2004...) The play list included the three #1 hits he wrote for the Beach Boys; a Pet Sounds mini-set that included "Wouldn't It Be Nice" (Jeff sang the verses, Brian sang the bridge; with this arrangement, they were able to do this song in E instead of the usual D), "Sloop John B.," "God Only Knows" (at which point Brian introduced Joan Osbourne, who sang the second verse), and "Caroline, No," at which point they brought out Al Kooper, who despite having a voice that shouldn't allow him to sing the song, he took the second verse; "Going Home" and "Southern California" from TLOS; a bunch of other well-known hits (including "Catch A Wave," "Surfer Girl," "When I Grow Up," and "California Girls"); and a few album tracks such as "Add Some Music To Your Day" and "Then I Kissed Her" (on which Jeff sang the first verse). Seriously, I hesitate to call it a "greatest hits" show, as there was more of a variety than a regular hits show would have. A few things I noticed.... - There was no prompter. Brian sang completely from memory, no electronic crutch. I think on "Southern California" he forgot a couple of words that Scott very quickly backed him up on. - It was nice to hear other singers now and then; I always believed that just because it's Brian that he doesn't HAVE to sing every word of every song. Just wish they'd alter lead singers on "Add Some Music," though. - You know that piano bit in "Do It Again" that happens during the "been so long" part? Sure ya do! Well....Gary Griffin reproduced that quite nicely! I never heard that piano bit anywhere but the studio version. - It was the first Brian concert I went to in a long time (we're talkin' eight years) in which Brian didn't do "Marcella." I was a bit disappointed, because I love how he and the band do that tune... - They were selling tour paraphernalia. I gotta say, the book for That Lucky Old Sun is really nice. REALLY nice. My wife and I decided to grab it just in case there weren't any available when Brian eventually tours TLOS in the States... - My wife mentioned this as we were taking the train out of the city, but....it was odd that not once, not at any point at all, did anybody mention the charity. Overall, great show! I really had my doubts going into it, but I'm thrilled to say that it was great. Plus, the money went to a very worthy cause. | ||
| Re: The *official* Brian/BB picture thread [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 10:29 PM CDT If somebody can repost this on here I would be grateful. Now those are interesting pictures! www.yousendit.com/download/TTdHWUhvQTZiR0kwTVE9PQ It's photos from the 1975 tour book, probably taken at Caribou late 1974. I wish those two weren't cut off though. Part of Mike's face is cut, and so is the face of the person playing bass beside Carl. | ||
| Re: Lowest point in the BB career? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 10:10 PM CDT The question was what is the lowest point in the Beach Boys career erikdavid. Nobody here would begrudge the guys making a living. Its just the choice of name by one act, marketing of another that upsets people. Has been the case for years. Your idea of a lowpoint may differ. I for one would go to a Mike and Bruce show in an instant. But not their Beach Boys and associated inflated ticket price. I'm also done with Brian. I'm now unsure he wants to be out there. | ||
| Re: brianwilson.com - New TLOS VIdeo [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 10:07 PM CDT There has never -- NEVER -- been the understanding that the entire OCA album had its vocals recorded in one day. This is patently ludicrous to begin with. I was a fan at the time, following the press in Billboard, etc., and it was never put that way. Van Dyke said, when talking about the title track (which was all he planned on having Brian sing originally), that Brian came in and finished the vocals in a day. They had time for a chicken salad sandwich, he said (or something similar.) The source for OCA having Brian-arranged vocals is the Timothy White book. The album had not been released at that time. The publicity for the album itself was pretty straightforward, in that Brian said that Van Dyke told him what parts to sing throughout the album. | ||
| Re: Lowest point in the BB career? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 10:06 PM CDT Dennis + Carl Dying..1981 tour.. | ||
| Re: \ [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 10:03 PM CDT WELL. Ive met them a few times and it was always by accident.. never tried at all.. 1st concert i went by BB was 1973 hollywood Paladium..Met all of them momentarily ..But a couple of the guys more than just a moment..Met BW + Marilyn out in parking lot..Brian looked like the guy on the Holland cover..No beard ,,Overweight wearin a double breasted pea coat..didnt say that much + marlyin + i talked while i looked at Brian + told him how much i admired him..when i used the word GENIUS. Marlyn said to Brian..did ya hear that brian..?/ He then grunted + gave me his autograph.. He seemed ..shy.. withdrawn + nervous..when i said genius..he seemed to need that like he didnt have the confidence he used to have.. Also talk to Al who was very excited + confident..The others i met for a few moments...Also no limos..the showed up in their own Cars...Audi..VW van..Bmw..etc..GREAT 70's show 1977.. Met Dennis at meet + greet when he released..POB.. At a record store west Hollywood..Not Tower.. Very charming guy.. 1983.. santa barbara bowl..Met all of them for a moment but actually talked to Al..Bruce.. Brian.. + Dean Torrence + Eugene Landy..Al + Bruce were friendly + talkative..Talked about a new lp + new music..BW had just come back from Hawaii + lost a hundred lbs..Very tall..Was friendly + when i told him i was a fan from the beginning He started to sing.. Just Once in My Life..And i started to sing with him + he enjoyed it..He was also served with papers in a law suit + actually was reading it + understanding it..BW also gave me a hard time for smoking pot before i met him..Had my pic takin with him + was really nice to me.. 1985..Harry Langdon studios pics for 85 lp..There are at least a hundred more pics no one has ever seen in the archives. Met them 2 days in a row..2nd day bought PS + SS + had them autographed..Al + his new wife were VERY friendly = Kind....More than the rest 1995.. Cerrittos Ca.. Met them all briefly after the show..Al was hangin on stage after show.. So i went up to talk with him + got a set list autographed..The best impression i have of Al is..When U talk to him he looks you In the eye..Not afraid of eye contact with fans..Nice guy..Talked to him about..Loop De Loop..Told him it was a HIT..!! He asked WHERE i had heard that..I told him boots + he laughed + asked for 20.00..LOL..!! Told him i liked MIU + he said i was the only one that bought It..!! | ||
| Re: New US singles box-set [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 07:49 PM CDT The length on the actual single could be shorter than the length on the single master. One case that always surprises me is the song Good Vibrations which lasts a couple of seconds longer on the DCC Endless Summer CD than anywhere else (3:42 instead of 3:35). According to Steve Hoffman, he used the single master. What version is used on the US singles box-set? If the song lasts 3.42, then it's self-evidently NOT the single master as released in 1966. Brian would have mixed the multi-tracks down to a mono master, but the fade is done during the actual mastering process, as I understand. For example, the version of (I think) "Surfin' Safari" on the box set is the 45 master, but it's not faded out. But the final mixes/masters for songs, whether they are on a master pertaining to singles or albums, usually don't all have completely cold endings as far as I know of. Tracks may well sometimes be faded a bit earlier than what is on the master mix/tape as they are mastered (compare the vinyl "LA (Light Album)" or the Caribou/CBS CD to the 2000 Capitol two-fer for instance to hear longer fadeouts on the 2000 CD that were actually on the album master; but note that they still were faded), but this isn't always left completely up to the person mastering the material. The person doing the mix usually wants to fade it when they choose. They don't do a mix without any fade and just leave a cold, often break-down ending and just let the person mastering it decide when the song should be faded. There is a bunch of info about the work on the DCC "Endless Summer" and the other Beach Boys DCC material over on the Steve Hoffman message board. There apparently was no criteria on the "Endless Summer" set in terms of preserving the original single versions or anything else. They just chose what they felt were the best versions/mixes (i.e. using the single versions of "Be True To Your School" and "Help Me Rhonda" as opposed to what the original album used), so in the case of "Good Vibrations", I believe they found that the fade on the original tape was longer (but note that it's still faded; I don't think that final mix/master has a cold ending or anything) and used it just to provide fans with a longer version. Note that even though Hoffman has mentioned that the mono single version of "California Girls" is a different mix than the mono album version, he still used the (shorter) mono album version on the DCC disc, presumably because he felt it was the preferable one to use. | ||
| Re: New US singles box-set [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 07:38 PM CDT FWIW, I just timed the 45 single that I have of California Girls. It's the 5464 and it does list 2:37 as the running time, but it clocked in at 2:42 when I timed it. It was played on a fairly recent turntable so the speed at which it was played isn't a problem. Hope this helps. It can sometimes get a bit confusing just timing the stuff out, due to speed variances in some cases when playing vinyl, but also just each person's idea of when the song is over in terms of fade and whatnot. It sounds like the vinyl 45 indeed features a longer fade out. Can you compare when the song completely fades out on the "US Singles Collection" to when it completely fades out on the 45? The longer fade-out I've heard from the Japanese singles collection carries on longer, well past that noticeable drum fill/riff that is barely heard before the shorter version fades out. That's the easiest way just by ear without a stopwatch to tell whether one is listening to the shorter or longer fade. | ||
| (10) 2008 Topps #397 BRIAN WILSON ["brian wilson"] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 07:11 PM CDT | ||
| Re: New US singles box-set [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 07:05 PM CDT FWIW, I just timed the 45 single that I have of California Girls. It's the 5464 and it does list 2:37 as the running time, but it clocked in at 2:42 when I timed it. It was played on a fairly recent turntable so the speed at which it was played isn't a problem. Hope this helps. | ||
| Re: New US singles box-set [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 06:23 PM CDT If the song lasts 3.42, then it's self-evidently NOT the single master as released in 1966. Brian would have mixed the multi-tracks down to a mono master, but the fade is done during the actual mastering process, as I understand. For example, the version of (I think) "Surfin' Safari" on the box set is the 45 master, but it's not faded out. I think there is some confusion of terminology. The single master is the product of the mono mixdown. What was released was the single, which was presumably faded during the mastering process. However, why are all other CD releases 3:35 long if they use the same master? Because the fade of the single was simulated? | ||
| Re: New US singles box-set [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 06:09 PM CDT The length on the actual single could be shorter than the length on the single master. One case that always surprises me is the song Good Vibrations which lasts a couple of seconds longer on the DCC Endless Summer CD than anywhere else (3:42 instead of 3:35). According to Steve Hoffman, he used the single master. What version is used on the US singles box-set? If the song lasts 3.42, then it's self-evidently NOT the single master as released in 1966. Brian would have mixed the multi-tracks down to a mono master, but the fade is done during the actual mastering process, as I understand. For example, the version of (I think) "Surfin' Safari" on the box set is the 45 master, but it's not faded out. | ||
| Re: New US singles box-set [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 05:07 PM CDT The length on the actual single could be shorter than the length on the single master. One case that always surprises me is the song Good Vibrations which lasts a couple of seconds longer on the DCC Endless Summer CD than anywhere else (3:42 instead of 3:35). According to Steve Hoffman, he used the single master. What version is used on the US singles box-set? | ||
| Re: New US singles box-set [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 04:28 PM CDT I'll dig out my 45 and time it at some point. | ||
| Re: New US singles box-set [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 04:01 PM CDT If nothing else, this should illuminate the difficulty of figuring out what the "correct" version of a recording is for people that put out archival recordings. I know what you mean, but on the other hand it could be simple in this case. I mean, if they got the longer version on "Greatest Hits Vol. 1" in 1999, then it presumably is not some sort of obscure tape hiding away somewhere. I suppose the easiest way to at least get some information would be to just find an original stock mono 45 single. Even if the debatable mix difference is set aside, one could at least check the length on it (the length it actually plays at as opposed to what is listed on the label, since those two things could at least conceivably be different). For what it's worth, while I don't have an original 45 single at my disposal (I think I might have it packed away somewhere among a bunch of thrashed old Capitol swirl 45's I inherited at some point), I checked around on Ebay and the like and found what appears to be an original 45, and the picture of it shows the same running time as what is reproduced on the "US Singles Collection" CD label, 2:37. But I suppose an original 45 would have to be played to check what it actually runs to and at what point it fades out, and what the possible mix difference might be. | ||
| Re: Lowest point in the BB career? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 04:01 PM CDT Can't we please just let these guys play their music at whatever casino/state fair/BBQ/alley ect.. they feel like? It's what they do. it's what they've been doing their entire lives pretty much. They make some cash doing it and the audience love it. Big deal! Would we have any more respect for Mike and Bruce if they were sitting around at home playing horseshoe and eating prunes? If you wrote and sang on these songs you'd wanna play them whenever and wherever you could as well. if certain "rock" jounalists and other writers had been a little more fair to The Beach Boys over the years, they'd be playing much better places, but so be it..... With such little respect paid to Mike (OR Carl, Dennis, Al, Bruce, for that matter) why should he care less about being hip or cool or whatever or making the Brian-nazis happy? | ||
| Re: New US singles box-set [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 03:47 PM CDT If nothing else, this should illuminate the difficulty of figuring out what the "correct" version of a recording is for people that put out archival recordings. | ||
| 2006 SP Authentic Brian Wilson RC AUTO #'d /899 ONE DAY ["brian wilson"] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 01:38 PM CDT | ||
| Re: brianwilson.com - New TLOS VIdeo [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 11:29 AM CDT [And as I understand it, BW arranged the background harmonies and vocals and then recorded them all in just SEVERAL HOURS in a SINGLE afternoon. Actually, VDP arranged everything and simply told Brian what to sing. This was confirmed by Van Dyke himself on the blueboard a couple of years ago and again on the blueboard by a blueboarder who had recently had a chat with Van Dyke. The thing that has amazing VDP all these years is how quickly Brian was able to learn the parts and then record them, one by one, in a very short period of time. Firstly, as the album took some three years to record, I seriously doubt that Van Dyke called Brian in for just one day: the vocal sessions were doubtless spread over several months. As for who arranged the vocals, in an interview conducted at the time of release it was stated that Brian arranged the majority of the vocals in the studio. I am certain knocking out the vocals in one day is what I read in a VDP interview shortly after the release of OCA. I will post if can find it again. On the "Words & Music" interview disc for OCA, Brian refers to (I paraphrase, obviously) singing standing up, not liking it and asking for a chair. He then says that the next time he came to sing, he asked for his chair. I don't think he meant after the lunch break. My understanding was that the title track's vocals may have been recorded in one day, but that all of the album's vocals took over two years to record. I recall Brian stating in an interview around the release of OCA that he had never worked harder or longer on doing vocals for an album. You can actually hear Brian's voice change throughout the sessions. The vocals recorded early on have a smoother timbre, but as Brian's return to smoking began affecting his voice more, there's a huskyness that settles in. The same progression can be heard on the Paley material, I believe. Once Brian quits smoking in '96, his vocals gradually return to the smoother timbre he has now (for the most part). That's my theory anyways. | ||
| Screenplay about Dennis? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 12 Jul 2008 08:41 AM CDT I was reading an article on Dennis recently in a Canadian Newspaper (The Globe and Mail), and towards the end of the article the author states that Gregg Jakobson (Wilson's former friend and POB co-producer) is currently working on a screenplay about Dennis. "Meanwhile, Jakobson is working on a screenplay about his departed buddy that he says has attracted the interest of Leonardo DiCaprio and those other Wilson brothers, Luke and Owen." This is news to me. Has anyone else heard anything about this? |
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