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| Re: DW Samples [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 06:51 AM CDT Was the "second version" of All Alone found in the tape research? It's the one with an electric piano and a considerably rougher vocal. It's from '79 I believe. If you're talking about the one with an incomplete vocal & no sax solo, that was on the bootlegs before "Endless Harmony" came out - I'm under the impression that was the earlier version (from '78) and the one on "Endless Harmony" and now "Bambu" is the later one, from Tom Murphy's studio, in '79. |
| Re: How much can BW be expected to sell? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 06:43 AM CDT When all's said and done, I'd rather hear Brian put out something creative rather than commercial, and TLOS fits the bill. Whether its a commercial success or not, if properly executed I'm sure this will be looked back on retrospectively as a great latter-day piece of work from the guy. Just to be clear, I'd rather he put out something creative rather than commercial too--to be honest, I think when you are an older musician creative=commercial in a way--in other words, the better it is, the more it will sell(if properly promoted.) I don't know but it the question just occurred to me: How much is a Brian Wilson release automatically going to sell, even if it's bad, or, er, less creative? Knowing how much Paul McCartney CD's sell is a good comparison. I don't know if TLOS will match Smile; I just think Smile ought not to be considered because the trappings of history and legend accompany it much more than they will TLOS. I don't know if he will have a number one like Dylan--I have always thought of Dylan as sort of a force of nature. But maybe BW will make a big comeback(commercially.) I generally don't care about these things, but I hope he does. It would be nice if more people appreciated his/Beach Boys music. |
| Re: How much can BW be expected to sell? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 06:07 AM CDT I have no doubts TLOS will be as big as BWPS. As Pvt. Gripweed said, it's most likely gonna shift 15-20,000 in it's first week and go on to be a steady seller like BWPS |
| Re: How much can BW be expected to sell? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 05:35 AM CDT Brian's audience hasn't aged with him. The music is so strong that new generations of fans continue to come along in a steady stream- the same as with the Beatles. At the SMiLE concert here in Atlanta, we sat next to two University of Kentucky coeds who had driven down from Lexington (about seven hours). They said, oddly enough, that they hadn't heard the album yet (though they each had a copy in hand from the souvenir stand) but had been swept away by news accounts and reviews. During part of the show I turned to see how they were reacting and they looked rapturous. I gave them a questioning look and they both smiled and nodded violently- yes, they were loving it. They could have been my daughters, and I was born ten days after Beach Boys Today! was issued. Yeah, a lot- maybe most- of the audience is older, but you never know. I wonder what the average age on this board is? I also wonder how many of us hardcore, lifelong, "Living Doll"-listening, 1999 gas station car song promo disc owning, original linen-mounted "Girls On The Beach" 3-sheet on the wall BW nuts- you know the kind I mean- there are. I guess the sales figures for the Pet Sounds box would be a fair ballpark figure, as far as dividing the men and women from the boys and girls, and I know that didn't do really well. I figure I personally know about five of us in my travels in real life- people, for example, who unquestionably will own TLOS the day it comes out. For what it's worth, it seems like once I heard the figure sixty thousand attached to one of Paul McCartney's recent releases- Driving Rain, I think. Not sure if that was first week or total, provided I remembered it accurately. |
| Re: How much can BW be expected to sell? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 05:23 AM CDT It depends entirely on promotion, particularly in the UK. If, for instance The Times, The Guardian and so on include features on the album as well as the usual suspects like MOJO, all the better. Of course in the case of BWPS, if I remember rightly, the documentary aired on BBC2 a few days before the album's release. That kind of exposure's got to contribute heavily to its success. When all's said and done, I'd rather hear Brian put out something creative rather than commercial, and TLOS fits the bill. Whether its a commercial success or not, if properly executed I'm sure this will be looked back on retrospectively as a great latter-day piece of work from the guy. I'd say about 15-20,000 copies the first week. If you're talking U.S. sales only, I'd be inclined to agree. |
| Re: Who would you like to see write a book? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 05:16 AM CDT Al Jardine. It just seems like we've hardly heard anything in his words, and when he did an interview with Goldmine (or somebody like that) about ten years ago it was fantastic. Now that I think about it, I need to go dig that back out. I wouldn't be that interested in the legal hassles. I'd want to read everything he remembers about the Hawthorne Cougars, Murry, Audrey, W.119th Street, Foster's Freeze, Jack Rieley, Dennis, every interesting session story. If you'll excuse me, typing the words "Foster's Freeze" just gave me a combination of heartburn and nausea. I miss that place. Agreed. Al's always seemed relatively balanced in his opinions, and thoughtful on the all-too-rare occasions he's expressed them. I guess it would kind of be like John Paul Jones writing a book about Led Zeppelin. |
| Re: Who would you like to see write a book? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 05:04 AM CDT Al Jardine. It just seems like we've hardly heard anything in his words, and when he did an interview with Goldmine (or somebody like that) about ten years ago it was fantastic. Now that I think about it, I need to go dig that back out. I wouldn't be that interested in the legal hassles. I'd want to read everything he remembers about the Hawthorne Cougars, Murry, Audrey, W.119th Street, Foster's Freeze, Jack Rieley, Dennis, every interesting session story. If you'll excuse me, typing the words "Foster's Freeze" just gave me a combination of heartburn and nausea. I miss that place. |
| Re: How much can BW be expected to sell? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 05:01 AM CDT Considering the markets size, and I'm thinking 40 plus age group, white, MOTR etc, what would be regarded as a success?  |
| Re: Who would you like to see write a book? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 04:56 AM CDT I would bet that part of the Marilyn/ Brian divorce settlement was no kiss and tell book.  |
| Re: Who would you like to see write a book? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 03:06 AM CDT I'd like to see Mike Love write a book - it could win all sorts of awards for a work of fiction!!  Ha, ha, very funny! How original to diss anything Mike says as fiction. Either way, for better or worse, Mike really is probably the only person who was there who wouldn't be too scared to write a book that doesn't follow the Leaf/Piore lead. But it's a fine line. Although the "Heroes And Villians" book had some valuable info, I hated Gains' attitude because he seemed like he wasn't even a fan. It was as though the only thing that appealed to him was the cliche of how behind the "fun and sun" lyrics and striped shirts, lay horror upon horror..... Yawn. |
| Re: Who would you like to see write a book? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 12:06 AM CDT I think I would love for Marilyn to write her story and include personal pictures. I think it would be such a great read. Just watching the POB promo clip...I could listen to Marilyn all day! She gives great insights and opinions which are never dull or repetitive. Sometimes they are revealing. So a book by her I think could be such a fresh take on things. I fully agree. Marilyn is one of the few close witnesses in the BB world I believe every word. If she would write a book, perhaps with her sister, that would be the most honest and revealing look on the first 20 BB years IMO. On the other hand, it's cool that she never did and in a way I hope she never will. |
| Re: Who would you like to see write a book? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 12:04 AM CDT Joe Chemay. |
| Re: DW Samples [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 09 Jun 2008 12:00 AM CDT Was the "second version" of All Alone found in the tape research? It's the one with an electric piano and a considerably rougher vocal. It's from '79 I believe. A rough mix was found, I don't think a multi-track was. |
| Re: Who would you like to see write a book? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Jun 2008 11:55 PM CDT I'd love to see a Keith Badman style book except with CORRECT information written by Ian Rusten and AGD. Also a sessions book written by Craig Slowinski. Those two would do a lot to bring a huge tradition of long standing Beach Boys myths and incorrect assumptions to their much needed death. |
| Re: Miles Davis [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Jun 2008 11:34 PM CDT I love Miles' jazz period stuff, but my favourite album of his is Pangaea. That's just 90 minutes of blissed out jams. BRING ON DA FUNK!!!!!!!!! Miles in 1972-75 live was unbelievably amazing. Spaced-out voodoo music. |
| Re: How much can BW be expected to sell? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Jun 2008 11:24 PM CDT I don't know much about the sales figures themselves, but I'd imagine it will have its best weeks right away, the first week or two (as Smile did if I recall), just because of people like us and any (fingers crossed) promotional hype. But without some good marketing, I can't imagine it will continue to sell well over time, so it would likely hit a steep decline after that. As for whether it is in the BWPS territory or the GIOMH territory, I think marketing has the most to do with that: can they reach out to new audiences, or the same old fanatics? You also have to factor in that Brian Wilson is a senior citizen at this point; it's hard to shred through the Billboard charts largely influenced by a younger generation who wouldn't get the album to begin with. Then again, other aging artists such as Bob Dylan and most recently Neil Diamond have made some surprising success with their latest albums debuting at #1. And Brian's upcoming album appears to be a much more creative, more focused album than Gettin' In Over My Head (we can only hope). So there is a possibility with the right kind of buzz it could possibly garner some decent sales. |
| Re: Who would you like to see write a book? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Jun 2008 10:58 PM CDT I think I am over the tell-all type books. The 'he said/ did, no I didn't' story has been told enough for me. How about a coffee-book size book with lots of rare pictures, many live concert shots with comments from famous and not so famous people who went to those shows? Also good album cover shots (all the albums) with indisputable quotes, comments and facts from the Beach Boys themselves. Would keep this fan happy and mean the lawyers are not involved. |
| Re: Who would you like to see write a book? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Jun 2008 10:49 PM CDT I'd like to see Mike Love write a book - it could win all sorts of awards for a work of fiction!! |
| Re: Miles Davis [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Jun 2008 10:38 PM CDT ^ Yes! It's fantastic. I haven't listened to that album much the past few years, but when I got it (maybe 2000?) I was just in love. |
| Re: Who would you like to see write a book? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Jun 2008 10:37 PM CDT I know that he isn't somebody directly related to The Beach Boys, but I'd love to see Eric Aniversario(I hope I spelled that right) turn his setlist archive website into a book.  |
| (20) 2008 Upper Deck #641 BRIAN WILSON Giants ["brian wilson"] Posted: 08 Jun 2008 10:36 PM CDT |
| Re: New promofilm of POB! [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Jun 2008 10:34 PM CDT I agree with all of you who mentioned how emotional this clip was/is. This isn't merely another reissue of an old album. It's like a resurrection. It's like the whole world is coming together to celebrate this wonderful man, and all this beautiful music he created. When his album came out, the "powers that be" were angry, and he wasn't allowed to tour. It feels like everybody is FINALLY doing right by Dennis. To bad it came to late though... |
| Re: Who would you like to see write a book? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Jun 2008 10:14 PM CDT Ginger Blake said that the real Brian Wilson is gone in the 1999 doc Yes, that was near the Anderle segment. I was a little surprised they left that in the documentary. I guess no more backing vocal sessions with Brian for Ginger. Well she just said something real, after Murry died we lost the real Brian. Not that a truth like that would win her any point with Leaf or Melinda. Brian would probably agree, he said right out to John Tesh in 1991 that he has a lot of brain damage. Which makes what he does do now all the more remarkable. |
| Re: Who would you like to see write a book? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 08 Jun 2008 09:52 PM CDT Andy Paley would be my choice-though it obviously wouldn't be just about Brian, and Melinda would probably have none of it; (peace and love Melinda-TD.) |
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