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| The Beach Boys Story 3 LP set [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 04 Jul 2008 05:43 AM CDT What's the deal with this set? Does anyone have any info on it? http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=149172 |
| Re: POB - Mastering problems - [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 04 Jul 2008 02:34 AM CDT Who cares, this is a forum to discuss. Astute observation, Sherlock. The Bigwigs took how many years to put this stuff out? If the mastering sounds weird then let's bring it up.  Did it ever occur to you that it took so many years because reissuing Dennis' work not only just had to be DONE, but done CORRECTLY? It's called respect for the artist. Dennis' work commanded it and, above all, deserved it. Back in 2001 if I heard a rumour "hey, POB is going to be reissued" I'd laugh. The situation back then was a mess of epic proportions. Now it's 2008, and WE HAVE IT IN OUR HANDS. My argument is this...can't we just enjoy what we have and soak it in? This was something that was, up until recently, considered a "hell freezes over" situation. When you're a Beach Boys fan in 2008, (and many of us by now, even the new ones, are jaded and cynical at that), you tend to just accept the whole package as it is, knowing just how hard it is to even come across a new bootleg of an unreleased track, let alone an actual official release. If these are indeed mastering errors that are mentioned, then it surely would be reissued with a better job done on it, although I don't know how much you can improve on this already amazing release beyond adding more tracks to it, but that's for another release. What I'm getting at is this....let's just enjoy it. Live in the moment. We actually can buy POB AND a considerable amount of Dennis' other solo works. It's not cause for nitpicking, it's cause for celebration. The impossible became possible. Someone was on our side. Let's be thankful. |
| Re: POB - Mastering problems - [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 04 Jul 2008 02:10 AM CDT What was objectionable in the booklet? |
| Re: POB - Mastering problems - [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 04 Jul 2008 01:11 AM CDT Listen Thoughts of You and Are You Real: these songs in a first moment have a lower volume, and later...a higher gain. Thoughts of You - before 2nd part (first time of piano riff sound lower...second time of piano riff sounds higher) Are You Real - half chorus sounds lower..other half sounds higher I know what yer saying. Although I don't mind the shift on the new Thought's of You, it definitely sounds different; almost forced. Can't you just enjoy the set? There's already rumours of the thing being recalled because someone finds some parts of the booklet objectionable. God forbid we wouldn't want the big wigs to think that their mastering job is subpar, too.   Who cares, this is a forum to discuss. The Bigwigs took how many years to put this stuff out? If the mastering sounds weird then let's bring it up. |
| Re: POB - Mastering problems - [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 04 Jul 2008 12:54 AM CDT Can't you just enjoy the set? There's already rumours of the thing being recalled because someone finds some parts of the booklet objectionable. God forbid we wouldn't want the big wigs to think that their mastering job is subpar, too. I have not seen any substantiation of that booklet rumor, and I've heard nothing from Sony or anyone else about it. |
| Al Jardine's Property Threatened By Big Sur Fire [Smiley Smile Dot Net] Posted: 04 Jul 2008 12:49 AM CDT Per Steve Julian of KPCC, Al Jardine's property is being threatened by the Big Sur wildfire.
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| Re: Will Wild Honey Ever Be Given A Stereo Mix [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 04 Jul 2008 12:01 AM CDT I'm not bashing the remixers, but for me it's like repainting Mona Lisa with 3D effect, removing one eye and then sell it as Leonardo da Vinci's work. It's not at all like that since those responsible for the remixes have taken pains to explain that they are by no means trying to pass the remixes off as Brian's work. Quote Combining two instruments on one channel creates a special sound, just a small separation creates another sound. Exactly. Quote Let the bees make honey organ missing, that's one eye. If you miss the organ, listen to the original mono. Quote The contrasts, expressions of the mono mix are part of the song's identity and in this case not reproducible. I disagree. Those contrasts and expressions you mention are not part of the song's identity but rather part of the identity of the production peculiar to the original Wild Honey LP mix. For instance, there are several highly-praised live recordings of "Let The Wind Blow" that lots of fans would take over the LP version. Is performing a song live taking away an "eye"? Would a recording of Brian simply singing the song with his own piano accompaniment be an abomination to your ears? I don't understand the sacrosanct exclusivity that you require. It would be another matter if the original mono masters were burned and listening to the original mixes were prohibited by law, but they're still there--in print, at your local record store, and presumably nobody's forcing you to listen to the stereo remixes at gunpoint. So why complain? |
| Re: Nice BW interview from the IMAGINATION era [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 11:46 PM CDT (irony begins) Yep, actually, Brian doesn't even sing on those recent records. It's all computers. And when he's live, that's Jeff Foskett doubling him. He's just a husk of a man dragged around to make money for people. Isn't this fun? (irony ends) |
| Re: What was Carl up to 1975-1978? [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 11:40 PM CDT Carl Wilson documentary? I also hadn't heard of it. Is it available somewhere? It was a film made to run before the 1993 CWF Benefit Concert at Royce Hall. That's the only time it was shown, to my knowledge. |
| Re: Will Wild Honey Ever Be Given A Stereo Mix [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 11:12 PM CDT I'm not bashing the remixers, but for me it's like repainting Mona Lisa with 3D effect, removing one eye and then sell it as Leonardo da Vinci's work. Combining two instruments on one channel creates a special sound, just a small separation creates another sound. Let the bees make honey organ missing, that's one eye. The contrasts, expressions of the mono mix are part of the song's identity and in this case not reproducible. |
| Re: Nice BW interview from the IMAGINATION era [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 10:22 PM CDT Who's to say they can't? There's plenty of great music that the general public never hears. |
| Re: Brother Records YouTube Copyright Claims [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 09:45 PM CDT Smart idea to bash BRI when THEY READ THE BOARD. |
| Re: POB - Mastering problems - [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 09:44 PM CDT Can't you just enjoy the set? There's already rumours of the thing being recalled because someone finds some parts of the booklet objectionable. God forbid we wouldn't want the big wigs to think that their mastering job is subpar, too. |
| Re: Brother Records YouTube Copyright Claims [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 09:28 PM CDT Why doesnt Brothers Records freakin' release something instead of just policing youtube.... Someone has to justify their job. |
| POB - Mastering problems - [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 08:28 PM CDT Listen Thoughts of You and Are You Real: these songs in a first moment have a lower volume, and later...a higher gain. Thoughts of You - before 2nd part (first time of piano riff sound lower...second time of piano riff sounds higher) Are You Real - half chorus sounds lower..other half sounds higher |
| Re: New US singles box-set [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 08:22 PM CDT I'm a fan of Mark's stereo mixes and mean absolutely no disrespect to the man with my upcoming question/comment. He always does a nice job with the stereo remixes and I listen to his mixes more than the old monos these days. BUT....it seems to me that whenever he remixes a track from the "Today" album it tends to sound....odd. I'm not sure what my beef is. Something about it sounds tinny or thin. "Kiss Me Baby" is an exception. Whether it's "Dance DAnce Dance" from HAwthorne or "She Knows ME TOo Well" and "Grow Up" on this new set, they never sound quite as good as other remixes. I don't hold Mark responsible for this, for I suspect there is something wrong with the Today album. Were there flaws in the original recording of "Today"? I mean, look at those new cuts remixed from Summer DAys that showed up on the Warmth of the Sun comp. Awesome sound. Just perfect. Heck, even the remixes from Wild Honey and Smiley sound heavenly. The man has the golden touch. But not 'Today' for me. What causes the discrepancy? Is it just me? |
| Re: Nice BW interview from the IMAGINATION era [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 07:46 PM CDT Can anybody here estimate about how much of Brian's solo material Brian actually wrote per album percentage wise? Because some of the recent topics make it sound like Brian just bangs a few keys on his piano and then someone else makes an album out of it. If these people are supposedly faking Brian material, how come none of these people seem capable of making anything close to as good as what made it onto his solo albums without Brian (not saying that all of his solo material is great, but why can't Paley or Thomas make a decent album on their own, then?)? |
| For James Watt. Happy 4th Of July. [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 07:17 PM CDT The Beach Boys and their 'undesirable element' audience. Quote from 25 years ago that banned them from the monument concert that year. This ones for you Jim!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6azLKnF7SM&search=Beach%20Boys |
| Re: brianwilson.com - New TLOS VIdeo [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 06:04 PM CDT [And as I understand it, BW arranged the background harmonies and vocals and then recorded them all in just SEVERAL HOURS in a SINGLE afternoon. Actually, VDP arranged everything and simply told Brian what to sing. This was confirmed by Van Dyke himself on the blueboard a couple of years ago and again on the blueboard by a blueboarder who had recently had a chat with Van Dyke. The thing that has amazing VDP all these years is how quickly Brian was able to learn the parts and then record them, one by one, in a very short period of time. Firstly, as the album took some three years to record, I seriously doubt that Van Dyke called Brian in for just one day: the vocal sessions were doubtless spread over several months. As for who arranged the vocals, in an interview conducted at the time of release it was stated that Brian arranged the majority of the vocals in the studio. I am certain knocking out the vocals in one day is what I read in a VDP interview shortly after the release of OCA. I will post if can find it again. |
| Re: Nice BW interview from the IMAGINATION era [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 05:18 PM CDT and the verse lyric is patently about a woman. Yeah, it seems very likely that it was originally written about a woman. But I think it still makes sense if you imagine it actually being about Carl. I like to think that Brian's singing about how he used to try to avoid having to record or perform with Carl and the Beach Boys and how he now wishes he would've done things differently. Even the line "Just remember the way I held you" could be about Carl: after all, they were brothers and Carl was five years younger, so you can think of this as an early childhood memory. The assumption is that Brian wrote the lyric - any proof one way or another ? |
| Re: 80s/90s Brian covers project! [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 05:17 PM CDT Looking forward to your versions of Spirit of R&R and Rainbow Eyes! Sounds like they'll turn out good. I wouldn't mind collaborating with you on Good Kind of Love. Do you have a messenger of any kind? We could discuss through a chat if you'd like. |
| Re: 80s/90s Brian covers project! [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 04:18 PM CDT I've decided to do a version of The Spirit Of Rock & Roll with my band, kind of a rock arrangement and will probably end up doing it in a studio to get the sound a hear in my head for it. And then a friend and I are going to tackle Rainbow Eyes, but going more of the Smiling Pets route and turn it into a more spaced out psychedelic track (because seriously these are some of the most psychedelic lyrics Brian & Gary have come up with, they even say psychedelic!)...will be a bit of work though, so stay tuned! Where Has Love Been with the L&M ending is very groovy! Nice harmonies too Also, I still wouldn't mind doing Good Kind of Love but I don't have enough ideas on my own to make that one work...perhaps a cyber collaboration if anyone is interested? |
| Re: Nice BW interview from the IMAGINATION era [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 03:43 PM CDT and the verse lyric is patently about a woman. Yeah, it seems very likely that it was originally written about a woman. But I think it still makes sense if you imagine it actually being about Carl. I like to think that Brian's singing about how he used to try to avoid having to record or perform with Carl and the Beach Boys and how he now wishes he would've done things differently. Even the line "Just remember the way I held you" could be about Carl: after all, they were brothers and Carl was five years younger, so you can think of this as an early childhood memory. |
| 1 CENT CD: Taylor Mills 'Lullagoodbye' Brian Wilson ["brian wilson"] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 03:39 PM CDT |
| Re: brianwilson.com - New TLOS VIdeo [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 03:22 PM CDT I love all of Brian's albums, but only a few of them have my respect. |
| Pet Sounds [Remaster] - Beach Boys (The) (CD 2001) ["beach boys"] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 02:25 PM CDT |
| Re: Nice BW interview from the IMAGINATION era [Smiley Smile Message Board] Posted: 03 Jul 2008 02:18 PM CDT Very interesting, not least for the confirmation that "How Could We Still Be Dancing ?" was written (if not recorded) by July 1998. I always thought that "How Could We Still Be Dancing?" had at least a bit of a genesis with the mid 90's track "Dancing the Night Away" that the Beach Boys briefly worked on. I recall that on the instrumental track version that is floating around out there, there are a few chord changes at the beginning that sound similar to what Brian ended up doing vocally on the beginning of the track in 2004. Um... the intro vocal is nothing more than the vocals from another section grafted onto the front of the track (specifically from 2.04 into the song). I understand that. The location of the vocal part in the recording isn't important. It's the musical similarity that I hear. I was just using the beginning of the 2004 recording to demonstrate one of the places where the similarity can be heard. The chord progression that is played on the piano at or near the beginning of the backing track of "Dancing the Night Away" (which I don't think is heard on the version that has a bit of vocals from the BB's, but I'm not sure) sounds similar to the part of the song that Brian sings that repeats itself during the song. On top of that, the songs have a similar tempo and some similar chords and a similar general style in what I would guess could be called the verse sections. I don't think it's a case of the two tracks being the same song with different lyrics or anything. But, setting aside that both tracks having "dancing" in their lyrics, there are some notable musical similarities that, in a few cases, go beyond the songs just being similar in style. That both tracks also having "dancing" in their titles certainly doesn't dissuade me from pondering the possibility that the later song had a few roots in the older song. |
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